VACList DigestVACList-Digest Sunday, September 8, 2002 Issue 419
Today's Topics:
1. pex size
2. Re: Stuck in Kamiah?#**##??
3. fulltiming in place
4. Parking Free in KAMIAH, IDAHO!!
5. That little clock...
6. Re: That little clock...
7. Re: Diesel puller
8. Re: That little clock...
9. Re: pex size
10. Rear Speaker Wires
11. Re: the plan
12. Re: pex size
13. Re: That little clock...
14. Water Pressure
15. Re: Water Pressure
16. Re: Water Pressure
17. Re: pex size
18. Re: My airstream Pictures..
19. Anyone travelling from Lexington, SC to S.W. VA?
20. Updated my website
21. Re: pex size
22. Re: pex size
23. Re: Water Pressure
24. Re: Water Pressure
25. Re: pex size
26. Re: Water Pressure
27. Re: pex size
28. Re: pex size
29. Re: pex size
30. Re: Bravo
31. Re:
32. Re: pex size
33. to chuck mclaughlin roof-vents
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Message Number: 1
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:12:42 -0500
From: "J.Evans Woodward III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: pex size
Well I've decided to redo all my plumbing. It looks like pex flair-it is the
way to go. Should I use 3/8 or 1/2? Most of the existing copper is 3/8 but
most supply houses carry 1/2.
Thanks,
Evans
62 sovereign
90 dodge 3/4 cummins 4x4
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Message Number: 2
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:31:58 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stuck in Kamiah?#**##??
You don't HAVE to bring a trailer to go to a rally, I went to my first
one and slept in the back of my pickup. Or stay in a motel, and come
visit. You just gotta love'em, come and play !
Daisy
Jack Honeycutt wrote:
>
> Where is Kamiah?
>
> Jack in Portland Oregon
>
> PS
> (with a spare driveway and water and elect hook ups.
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Message Number: 3
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:50:28 -0500
From: "Todd McDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: fulltiming in place
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Message Number: 4
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 19:54:31 -0700
From: Jeffrey Engle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Parking Free in KAMIAH, IDAHO!!
Ok, we did our homework and found out some rather interesting
information. First, We live in a small town in the Idaho panhandle
called Kamiah (Kamee-eye) and my wife and I would love to see any of you
we could! We're pretty much home-bound and can't travel to all the cool
places and club meetings that you folks do. So with that in mind, we
checked out the local park which is very safe and quiet with access to a
water hose and power (if you pay 5 bucks a day, for power that is) you
can stay as long as you like. The nearest dump station is down the road
a mile or so (for another 5 bucks) or you can use mine at our park for
free. When you get to town, give us a call: Jeff & Daile Engle
208-935-7740
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Message Number: 5
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 19:58:36 -0700
From: Jeffrey Engle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: That little clock...
In our 1977 Sovereign there is/was a digital clock above the couch
between the two storage compartments. Any idea where to get one that
works?......Jeff
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Message Number: 6
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 22:15:25 -0500
From: Kevin D Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: That little clock...
Greetings Jeff!
I am assuming that the clock is 12-volt DC. If the clock is 12-volt DC,
there are a number of shops that rebuild/restore 12-volt DC clocks for
automobiles. With the clock removed from its mounting record and
available manufacturer's information including maker, model numbers
and/or serial numbers. With said information in-hand, try contacting a
restorer that you can find by referring to the latest Hemmings Motor
News or similar publication. I recently had the digital dash clock
serviced in my Cadillac at a cost of just short of $75.00. I wouldn't
mention that the clock is from an Airstream, rather I would indicate to
the rebuilder the manufacturer's information and see what they have to
say.
This is not a guaranteed solution, but it is entirely possible that one
of these shops will be able to rebuild your clock.
Another trick that I learned with automotive clocks was to disconnect
then reconnect the ground wire 3 to 4 times (a process that was called
"forced" winding in one of my car's manuals) which might start a stopped
clock. With one of my older Dodge cars this had to be done anytime that
the battery became discharged.
Good luck with finding a solution to your clock's problems.
Kevin
Kevin D. Allen
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
1978 Argosy Minuet
1975 Cadillac Convertible (towcar in-training)
WBCCI/VAC #6359
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
Jeffrey Engle
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 8:59 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] That little clock...
In our 1977 Sovereign there is/was a digital clock above the couch
between the two storage compartments. Any idea where to get one that
works?......Jeff
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Message Number: 7
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 01:24:37 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Diesel puller
on 09/07/02 3:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I think that I would go for a larger diesel like the
> Ford 7.2L? and avoid the 45mph syndrome of the 6.2L.
Right back to you Bob,
During the last three months, I've talked with 5 owners of diesel pullers.
Those with Ford's biggest beast were the most satisfied.
But, you might prefer a Dodge because of what you can do with electronic
tools and software found on their website at www.powerstore.cummins.com.
If it was me, that would be a big drawing card. I use my PDA (Handspring
Visor) all the time and would be enthusiastic about having the capability to
see what was impacting on the performance of my Cummins engine.
Pluses and minuses whichever way you go,
Terry
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Message Number: 8
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 01:46:37 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: That little clock...
on 09/07/02 10:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In our 1977 Sovereign there is/was a digital clock above the couch
> between the two storage compartments. Any idea where to get one that
> works?......Jeff
Jeff,
One of the unexpected things we think we are learning about our 12 volt
clock in our '77 31' Airstream on marginally sunny days is that it's an open
sink hole for draining12 volt power.
We plug ours in only when our batteries are fully charged and we can afford
to waste a little 12 volt juice. When we figure this out for sure, I'll
mention it again.
Terry
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Message Number: 9
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 06:26:23 -0400
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: pex size
Evans, I believe there was some discussion before to the effect that the
1/2" pex was less expensive. I'd think either would work so I'd probably go
with the least expensive.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "J.Evans Woodward III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 21:12
Subject: [VAC] pex size
> Well I've decided to redo all my plumbing. It looks like pex flair-it is
the
> way to go. Should I use 3/8 or 1/2? Most of the existing copper is 3/8 but
> most supply houses carry 1/2.
> Thanks,
> Evans
> 62 sovereign
> 90 dodge 3/4 cummins 4x4
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Message Number: 10
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 08:42:37 -0400
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Rear Speaker Wires
Has anybody with a 1968 Airstream removed the inner skin or otherwise
located where the speaker wires terminate at the back of the trailer? I'd
like to install rear speakers if I could find out where the factory
installed wiring terminates in the bedroom area. The location may be
different for different length ' 68 models. Thanks.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
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Message Number: 11
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 09:07:37 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: the plan
In a message dated 9/6/02 12:20:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< I would urge you to take time out to do
so--even if it lacks many of the amenities >>
That is the right attitude for sure -- I used my GT as a tin tent for quite
a while til I could afford and learn how (from this wonderful group) to fix
things a bit at a time. Having tent camped most of my life, I found the
luxury of the AS to be wonderful, even if I had to use ice instead of the gas
frig and use the outside spigot for water.
Except for the frig, I have most of the systems working now.
Just Plain Polly
1964 Globe Trotter
Colorado
WBCCI 7113
& two Sovereigns besides- one good and one trashed inside
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Message Number: 12
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 09:18:01 -0400
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: pex size
Evans, following up on my first post, I was reading the instructions on
overhauling the Peters and Russell water pump in my ' 68 Tradewind and it
says to "use a minimum of 1/2" O.D. tubing or 3/8" pipe" including fittings.
I'm not sure what that means. Is there a difference in tubing and pipe? If
3/8" was adequate, why mention 1/2" since it exceeds the 3/8" minimum. I
still think 3/8" is sufficient for replumbing your Airstream and 1/2" is
supposed to be cheaper. Unless one size is easier to work/install, I'd still
use the less expensive size. That's just me.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J.Evans Woodward III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 21:12
> Subject: [VAC] pex size
>
>
> > Well I've decided to redo all my plumbing. It looks like pex flair-it is
> the
> > way to go. Should I use 3/8 or 1/2? Most of the existing copper is 3/8
but
> > most supply houses carry 1/2.
> > Thanks,
> > Evans
> > 62 sovereign
> > 90 dodge 3/4 cummins 4x4
>
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Message Number: 13
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 10:15:50 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: That little clock...
At 07:58 PM 9/7/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>In our 1977 Sovereign there is/was a digital clock above the couch between
>the two storage compartments. Any idea where to get one that works?......Jeff
That spot was empty in our '77 Airstream. I think it had burnt up/shorted
out, as there was a small burn spot in the back of the compartment.
I ended up making a cardboard template of the location, then cut a piece of
Formica I had left over from another project to fit. I sprayed it with some
Rustoleum I had that almost matches the beige color of the cabinet.
I then use silicone to glue on a small clock we had in the house to it,
Once that was dry, I siliconed the whole thing into place.
I would imagine you could also get clock parts (motors, hands and faces)
from a woodworking/clock catalog or web site, and use that. My trailer is
wired for 12V at the clock, so no battery would be needed.
Dave
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Message Number: 14
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 09:41:39 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Water Pressure
We are saying at a park in Austin, TX for a few days and they recommend a
pressure regulator at the hose connection. The hose end regulator I have
sets the pressure at 45 psi. However when I use this the pressure iregulator
n the trailer the water comes out in just a trickle. I know the 76 Sovereign
has a built in water pressure regulator so is it necessary to use a hose end
regulator to protect from the parks high water pressure. Thanks
Don Hardman
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Message Number: 15
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 10:32:19 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Water Pressure
Don,
I like to use a pressure regulator at the faucet end of the water hose
because it keeps my hose form "balloning" up when it is really hot outside.
Dave
At 09:41 AM 9/8/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>We are saying at a park in Austin, TX for a few days and they recommend a
>pressure regulator at the hose connection. The hose end regulator I have
>sets the pressure at 45 psi. However when I use this the pressure iregulator
>n the trailer the water comes out in just a trickle. I know the 76 Sovereign
>has a built in water pressure regulator so is it necessary to use a hose end
>regulator to protect from the parks high water pressure. Thanks
>
>Don Hardman
>
>
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_________________________________________________________________
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WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 16
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 10:45:29 -0400
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Water Pressure
Don, I wouldn't think it would be necessary to have two water pressure
regulators if the on board regulator is working. I don't understand why
adding the second regulator on the water supply hose would cut the pressure
to a trickle. Fluid mechanics is not my specialty, however. Intuitively, it
seems to me that the 45 lbs of pressure would get through the on board built
in regulator without further reduction if the pressure is at least 45 lbs
when the second regulator is omitted. Where are our engineers?
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Hardman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:41
Subject: [VAC] Water Pressure
> We are saying at a park in Austin, TX for a few days and they recommend a
> pressure regulator at the hose connection. The hose end regulator I have
> sets the pressure at 45 psi. However when I use this the pressure
iregulator
> n the trailer the water comes out in just a trickle. I know the 76
Sovereign
> has a built in water pressure regulator so is it necessary to use a hose
end
> regulator to protect from the parks high water pressure. Thanks
>
> Don Hardman
>
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Message Number: 17
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:04:56 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: pex size
Hi All,
I've followed the thread for a few days and thought I'd put my two cents in
for consideration. The '69 Safari had mostly 1/2 inch copper tube for the
main runs and dropped to 3/8 for some sink and 1/4 for others. Lots of
special reducers, etc. all to what I purpose I think was weight reduction
and flow.
PEX solves the weight consideration as it's feather light as
compared to copper. Flow is an entirely different consideration. While the
copper transitioned from 1/2 to 1/4 without restrictions, PEX has a bottle
neck each time a compression fitting is installed. The actual internal
diameter might be 1/4 inch reduced from 1/2 inch. Put many of these in the
plumbing and it could drastically reduce the flow in some locations. This
is a do as I say, not as I did with the Safari or Argosy plumbing.
Especially since I opted to use a ton of "T" and "elbow" fittings rather
than just bend the PEX. The flow at the galley, toilet, and bathroom sink
are adequate, but not super high volumes. At the shower head, the amount of
delivery won't win any prizes unless water conservation is the goal. :)
I realize that using 3/4 PEX and reducing it to 1/2 might seem like a bit of
overkill; however, it seems to me that the delivery at any point in the
system would always be adequate. In my case, it would require the purchase
of a second $100 compression tool to mix 3/4 and 1/2 inch PEX. Look at the
inside diameter of the ball valves and fittings while you make choices of
plumbing size. Cheap valves use very small inside diameter. I try for the
largest available as it varies by brand and country source. Might be a few
dollars difference to install the larger size. For a large trailer with
long runs, the size of the PEX might be critical.
It's my opinion that 3/8 PEX is entirely too small when considering valves
and fittings where the inside diameter might be as small as 1/8 inch! Guess
an engineer could explain the situation with a discussion of fluid dynamics
or something.
Just my opinion and it's worth what it cost.
Cheers, '74 Argosy, 69 Safari, Joy
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Message Number: 18
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 11:01:07 -0400
From: Ron Ainsworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My airstream Pictures..
On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 17:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Just somthing I'd like to share with all..The updated version for
> Lincoln...
>
>I would like to ask a question about your remodeling of Lincoln...
How did you get the wainscoting to attach to the aluminum inner hull?
I've looked over the photos several times and just can't see how it was
attached.
I do understand Lincoln is moored, and that makes a difference. Gen.
Forrest will be underway from time to time and undergo several
interacting forces that Lincoln don't have to contend with.
We like what you did with your home. Very impressive.
Ron and Barbara Ainsworth
'72 Ambassador International 29'
The Penguin Rules
>
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Message Number: 19
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:22:07 -0600
From: "Terry O'Neill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Anyone travelling from Lexington, SC to S.W. VA?
Hi all
I recently purchased several interior components for my '66 TradeWind on
ebay. I need to arrange transportation from Lexington SC to Norton VA. (291
miles according to Mapquest) I am looking into trucking options but thought
I would try the VAC and AS list just in case somebody happened to be going
that way. The parts would fill the better part of a pickup and I'd be happy
to compensate for the trouble.
Take Care
Terry O'Neill
Calgary
66 Trade-Wind Double
WBCCI 4786
VAC
http://pages.sprint.ca/Streamsite/main.html
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Message Number: 20
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:30:24 -0600
From: "Terry O'Neill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Updated my website
I have updated my website with this summers outings, AS owner pages and
parts links etc. My site is non-commercial, and for the benefit of all
Airstreamers. Most of the links have come from the VAClist and Hunter's AS
list. If you have a relevant link including your own trailer sites please
e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll add it.
Take Care
Terry O'Neill
Calgary
66 Trade-Wind Double
WBCCI 4786
VAC
http://pages.sprint.ca/Streamsite/main.html
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Message Number: 21
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 15:16:29 -0400
From: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: pex size
Tubing is measured OD or outside diameter.
Pipe may be measured as ID or inside diameter? I believe that hoses are
also measured by their ID or inside diameter.
This may explain the difference referred to.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:18 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: pex size
> Evans, following up on my first post, I was reading the instructions on
> overhauling the Peters and Russell water pump in my ' 68 Tradewind and it
> says to "use a minimum of 1/2" O.D. tubing or 3/8" pipe" including
fittings.
> I'm not sure what that means. Is there a difference in tubing and pipe? If
> 3/8" was adequate, why mention 1/2" since it exceeds the 3/8" minimum. I
> still think 3/8" is sufficient for replumbing your Airstream and 1/2" is
> supposed to be cheaper. Unless one size is easier to work/install, I'd
still
> use the less expensive size. That's just me.
>
> Jim Greene
> ' 68 Tradewind
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "J.Evans Woodward III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 21:12
> > Subject: [VAC] pex size
> >
> >
> > > Well I've decided to redo all my plumbing. It looks like pex flair-it
is
> > the
> > > way to go. Should I use 3/8 or 1/2? Most of the existing copper is 3/8
> but
> > > most supply houses carry 1/2.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Evans
> > > 62 sovereign
> > > 90 dodge 3/4 cummins 4x4
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message Number: 22
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 13:54:48 -0600
From: "gshippen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: pex size
Hello guys,
I've been following your discussions on the "pex". Where would one purchase
these materials? Any other names involved? How about the connectors to the
faucets, etc?
Thank you,
GAS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:16 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: pex size
> Tubing is measured OD or outside diameter.
>
> Pipe may be measured as ID or inside diameter? I believe that hoses are
> also measured by their ID or inside diameter.
>
> This may explain the difference referred to.
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:18 AM
> Subject: [VAC] Re: pex size
>
>
> > Evans, following up on my first post, I was reading the instructions on
> > overhauling the Peters and Russell water pump in my ' 68 Tradewind and
it
> > says to "use a minimum of 1/2" O.D. tubing or 3/8" pipe" including
> fittings.
> > I'm not sure what that means. Is there a difference in tubing and pipe?
If
> > 3/8" was adequate, why mention 1/2" since it exceeds the 3/8" minimum. I
> > still think 3/8" is sufficient for replumbing your Airstream and 1/2" is
> > supposed to be cheaper. Unless one size is easier to work/install, I'd
> still
> > use the less expensive size. That's just me.
> >
> > Jim Greene
> > ' 68 Tradewind
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "J.Evans Woodward III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 21:12
> > > Subject: [VAC] pex size
> > >
> > >
> > > > Well I've decided to redo all my plumbing. It looks like pex
flair-it
> is
> > > the
> > > > way to go. Should I use 3/8 or 1/2? Most of the existing copper is
3/8
> > but
> > > > most supply houses carry 1/2.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Evans
> > > > 62 sovereign
> > > > 90 dodge 3/4 cummins 4x4
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
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Message Number: 23
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 15:33:03 -0500
From: John Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Water Pressure
Don,
Two regulators in series are apt to fight each other. Only by pure coincidence
would this setup work, unless it was designed and installed properly. These
things are not just static devices; they have to respond by opening or closing
every time flow changes in the system, and if they are not tuned properly to
each other, the result is as you see, a trickle or nothing.
You should remove or bypass each regulator in turn, and test the system for
satisfactory flow; that eliminates the possibility of a malfunctioning
regulator. Then my suggestion would be to use the one on the hose connection,
so you protect your entire system, IF you are able to bypass your on-board
regulator. If not, your remaining option then is to use only the on-board
device, understanding that the hose and any part of your system upstream of the
regulator will be constantly exposed to the park's high pressure. Good luck!
> > We are saying at a park in Austin, TX for a few days and they recommend a
> > pressure regulator at the hose connection. The hose end regulator I have
> > sets the pressure at 45 psi. However when I use this the pressure
> iregulator
> > n the trailer the water comes out in just a trickle. I know the 76
> Sovereign
> > has a built in water pressure regulator so is it necessary to use a hose
> end
> > regulator to protect from the parks high water pressure. Thanks
> >
> > Don Hardman
> >
>
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Message Number: 24
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 17:04:49 -0400
From: "Thomas LaVergne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Water Pressure
When I suspect high water pressure at an RV Park I tend to only turn the
spigot on part way. My onboard pressure valve works but I don't want
overextend it.
Thomas '79 Ambassador
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Message Number: 25
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:19:47 -0700
From: "Gary Quamen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: pex size
> Tubing is measured OD or outside diameter.
>
> Pipe may be measured as ID or inside diameter? I believe that hoses are
> also measured by their ID or inside diameter.
>
> This may explain the difference referred to.
>
> Tom
Hi folks:
Chime-in time.
Pipe is measured by the outside diameter (O.D.).
3/8" pipe is 0.675" O.D.
The wall thickness for standard weight (also schedule 40) is 0.091"
Therefore, the inside diameter of this pipe would be 0.493"
GQ '67 Safari
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Message Number: 26
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 16:24:40 -0500
From: John Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Water Pressure
Thomas, unfortunately this practice will not protect your trailer from
overpressurization at all. A throttled valve or similar device only reduces
pressure when there is active flow in the system. When the flow is halted
at the point of use, e.g. by turning off the faucet in your trailer, the
pressure equalizes all the way from the source through your entire system.
The only result of a throttled supply valve is that it reduces flow and
pressure when you most want it, i.e. when you are drawing water from the
system. You really need a regulator at the hose connection which will open
as flow is demanded, and close as flow demand is reduced, maintaining a
relatively constant pressure on your system.
Thomas LaVergne wrote:
> When I suspect high water pressure at an RV Park I tend to only turn the
> spigot on part way. My onboard pressure valve works but I don't want
> overextend it.
> Thomas '79 Ambassador
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Message Number: 27
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 18:12:06 -0400
From: Matt Worner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: pex size
Gerald et. al.,
Take a look at:
http://www.vanguardpipe.com/index.html
for the tubing and the "Manabloc" system. I almost (but not quite) would like
to replace all my plumbing with this system just for the overall convenience.
If I ever do have to do any work in either trailer, or even another house for
that matter, that's the way I will go.
gshippen wrote:
> Hello guys,
>
> I've been following your discussions on the "pex". Where would one purchase
> these materials? Any other names involved? How about the connectors to the
> faucets, etc?
> Thank you,
>
> GAS
Matt
--
Pam, Matt and Darrell Worner
WBCCI, VAC, WNJU & WDCU #4971
1975 31' Sovereign, (The Tinsel Tubesteak)
1976 24' Argosy rear door (Bun Metallica)
2000 F-350 PSD
Hensley Arrow
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Message Number: 28
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 18:18:52 -0400
From: Matt Worner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: pex size
Gary Quamen wrote:
> <snip>
> 3/8" pipe is 0.675" O.D.
3/8 or 5/8"?
>
>
> The wall thickness for standard weight (also schedule 40) is 0.091"
>
> Therefore, the inside diameter of this pipe would be 0.493"
Which is close enough to 1/2" to fool my ruler!
>
>
> GQ '67 Safari
Matt (who'll let you make my change any time)
LOL
--
Pam, Matt and Darrell Worner
WBCCI, VAC, WNJU & WDCU #4971
1975 31' Sovereign, (The Tinsel Tubesteak)
1976 24' Argosy rear door (Bun Metallica)
2000 F-350 PSD
Hensley Arrow
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Message Number: 29
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 17:41:58 -0400
From: "Richard P. Kenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: pex size
At 02:19 PM 9/8/02 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi folks:
>Chime-in time.
>Pipe is measured by the outside diameter (O.D.).
>3/8" pipe is 0.675" O.D.
>The wall thickness for standard weight (also schedule 40) is 0.091"
>Therefore, the inside diameter of this pipe would be 0.493"
If it's measured by OD, wouldn't 3/8" pipe be 0.375"? I think
0.675" must be just a mis-type? 0.675 doesn't correspond to any simple
fraction - it's 27/40.
- Dick
(5368)
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Message Number: 30
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 18:43:41 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bravo
on 09/08/02 4:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> That was inspired. Thank you.
>
Jeff, it was good to hear from you. Sometimes I wonder if anyone reads my
posts. It's only when someone replies that I have an inkling of how my
comments sit with other Vintage Airstream owners. I appreciate your
thoughts.
> I have a vintage Airstream because I love the class of it and I want to share
> the Americas with my wife and children. I intend to see all I can and cook
> every night with my own pots and pans, listen to my CD collection, sleep
> soundly on my own bed.
>
Way to go, Jeff. There's an unspoken message being taught to your children
when you and Marji travel the Americas. By actively exploring and sharing
your interests, their knowlege and inquisitiveness will increase on
hundreds of topics. There's a lot to be said for an abundance of those
experiences while they're still children.
> Terry, I have refrigerator magnets of every Canadian province, like the USA
> map things on RVs. I fully intend to "earn" them by camping through all of
> your fabulous country.
>
Jeff, you're a man after my own heart. The problem for Sandie and me with
"earning" them is each time a major goal is achieved, others have already
begun to emerge. Result is we end up working on several simultaneously,
i.e. camping at all the National Park Campgounds; volunteering to work 20
hours a week for free at a campground in exchange for a campsite next to a
gorgeous beach; having oil changes to our truck done in each of the states
and provinces in USA, Mexico and Canada <grin>; visiting with relatives more
often than just at funerals; attending Seafood and Hot Air Balloon Fiestas,
attending and/or leading caravans, and the list goes on and on (and on and
on) with some serious and some frivolous.
Occasionally, unexpected and risky events occur. Although we keep track of
them, they are not on our list of intended goals, i.e. seeing a tornado,
mapping its' distance from us, calculating the shortest, fastest route away
and then making a run for it; or watching a snowstorm inundate us while
we're parked in a rest area; or realizing if we continue in the same
direction, the velocity of oncoming hurricane winds will increase; or
hunkering down while a weather front with freezing rain hangs around for a
few days and coats our trailer and picnic table; or fleeing an approaching
flood that's creeping toward us by the minute.
Lessons learned and experiences shared unintentionally can be very exciting,
but we try not to "earn" any stripes that way, in spite of how good the
opportunity may seem at the time. Yet, there's the never ending and steady
incentive of wanting to see it all, do everything, go everywhere and
experience life as fully as we can. Sometimes being reasonable takes effort.
> When we may meet I'll show you all the big & little repairs, the surprises &
> heartaches of my restoration project. Right now I have floor adhesive stuck
> on my knees from the current project, tearing out the shag carpet & installing
> chestnut-stained oak parquet flooring. It blends w/ the walnut cabinets
> beautifully.
>
Don't you just love it when a job is well done? I'm sure it feels satisfying
to take a break and soak up the good feelings, knowing your family will be
well served for years to come.
Jeff, I wish you safe travels and look forward to meeting you and your crew.
Although North America is a big continent, it small when Airstreamers travel
in ever widening circles from their home base.
Terry
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message Number: 31
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 19:04:20 -0500
From: chuck mclaughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
on 9/7/02 7:04 PM, VACList at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: Classic Airstream Club misinformation
> 2. Re: The Plan - 9/6
> 3. Stuck in Kamiah?#**##??
> 4. Re: Introduction/ Piano Hinge/ & Bunk Request
> 5. Re: My airstream Pictures..
> 6. Re: Stuck in Kamiah?#**##??
> 7. Re: Introduction/ Piano Hinge/ & Bunk Request
> 8. Re: Stuck in Kamiah?#**##??
> 9. ".....what do you guys do?"
> 10. Water purifier-filter pipe dream
> 11. Re: Plumbing
> 12. Re: Water purifier-filter pipe dream
> 13. Introduction, and 62 safari?
> 14. Re: Network Associates Webshield - e-mail Content Alert,
> 15. Re: unk Request
> 16. Re: Introduction, and 62 safari?
> 17. Vintage Airstream Available
> 18. Re: Hammock Bunks
>
>
tomorrow,rick davis is delivering my deceased grandfathers airstream to me
in maine from travellers rest in dade city<my grandfather used to be pres of
n.e. chapter of wally byam caravan club in the 1960's> where it was in
storage for over 6 years. it is a 1962 or so overlander with 2 twin beds in
the middle. we have two children, boy and girl, ages 7 and 8. we would like
to have a full size bed for my wife and i in the middle-any suggestions on
reconfiguring and or plans to do the same. the kids can always sleep on the
floor. also, any suggestions about replacing the roof vents-rick davis said
they are gone-thanks chuck mclaughlin
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Message Number: 32
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:24:03 -0700
From: "Gary Quamen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: pex size
> Gary Quamen wrote:
>
> > <snip>
> > 3/8" pipe is 0.675" O.D.
>
> 3/8 or 5/8"?
Hi Matt:
The actual outside diameter of nominal 3/8 " pipe is 0.675"
The actual outside diameter of nominal 1/2" pipe is 0..840"
Note that these dimensions are for iron and steel pipe as well as other pipe
such as pvc.
The actual O.D. of nominal 3/8" copper tube is 0.500
The actual O.D. of nominal 1/2" copper tube is 0.625"
The inside diameter (I.D.) of the pipe or tube will vary by the wall
thickness ( pipe schedule, or in the case of copper tube, the type).
One thing that am curious about is what TYPE of copper tube A/S used (K, L,
or M). Anybody know? I suspect it is L.
Or did I misunderstand your question?
GQ '67 Safari
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Message Number: 33
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:28:31 -0600
From: "Tuna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: to chuck mclaughlin roof-vents
This is what pretty much everyone is doing for roof-vents:
http://members.aol.com/adohen1/page/Adohensupply.htm
They make plain vents, vents with fans, all the way up to automatic
open/close with thermostats and rain-sensors.
I don't know how a full/queen bed in the middle would work... maybe leave
them intact for the kids, and convert the front area to a dinette that
converts to a full/queen sleeping area. Or, you and spouse can use the twin
beds as they are, and put the kids outside in a pop-tent. Just remember to
figure midnight access to the bathroom for all concerned...
tuna
wbcci/vac#8862
reno, nv
'48 Trailwind
----- Original Message -----
From: "chuck mclaughlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> tomorrow,rick davis is delivering my deceased grandfathers airstream to me
> in maine from travellers rest in dade city<my grandfather used to be pres
of
> n.e. chapter of wally byam caravan club in the 1960's> where it was in
> storage for over 6 years. it is a 1962 or so overlander with 2 twin beds
in
> the middle. we have two children, boy and girl, ages 7 and 8. we would
like
> to have a full size bed for my wife and i in the middle-any suggestions on
> reconfiguring and or plans to do the same. the kids can always sleep on
the
> floor. also, any suggestions about replacing the roof vents-rick davis
said
> they are gone-thanks chuck mclaughlin
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