VACList DigestVACList-Digest Wednesday, September 4, 2002 Issue 415
Today's Topics:
1. I quit!
2. Re: My airstream Pictures..
3. Re: I quit!
4. Re: My airstream Pictures..
5. Re: I quit!
6. Re: Argosy Models
7. Re: I quit!
8. Re: I quit!
9. Re: I quit!
10. Re: I quit!
11. Re: I quit!
12. Floor flooded
13. Re: I quit!
14. Re: I quit!
15. Re: PJM-> I quit!
16. Fantastic Fan Installation Questions
17. Re: Enlarging jack post mounts
18. Re: I quit!
19. Re: electrical mystery
20. Second Wind.... was I quit!
21. Re: Second Wind.... was I quit!
22. Re: Fantastic Fan Installation Questions
23. Re: I quit!
24. Re: I quit!
25. Re: Argosy Models
26. Re: Fantastic Fan Installation Questions
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Message Number: 1
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:20:32 -0700
From: "Tim Shephard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: I quit!
I have been working on this trailer ('71 Safari) for a year and a half. Put
thousands of dollars into it.
Took it out twice. Last time we could smell gas inside near the water
heater.
So I hooked up the hose at the house, lit the water heater and let it run.
Sprayed the connections with soapy water and found no leaks.
So I left it running and went into the house. When I went back out, water
was running out the bottom of the trailer everywhere. Shut the water off
and went inside to find the entire floor flooded.
I give up...
-Tim
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
eFax (508) 590-0302
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Message Number: 2
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:47:26 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My airstream Pictures..
hey Jeff, Nice Job !
I think I need to learn to work with aluminum. Do you have a shop with a
brake etc ?
And can you get the copper anodized aluminum trim anywhere ?
Daisy
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> Just somthing I'd like to share with all..The updated version for
> Lincoln...
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Message Number: 3
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 22:05:24 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I quit!
Oh Geez, that's not fair !
I'm afraid I would take it to the nearest Decent RV place and say fix
it. Plumbing and Gas are too much for me, well so far anyway.
If you put the tongue jack all the way up or down, most of the water
will go away.
Sympathies,
Daisy
Tim Shephard wrote:
>
> I have been working on this trailer ('71 Safari) for a year and a half. Put
> thousands of dollars into it.
>
> Took it out twice. Last time we could smell gas inside near the water
> heater.
>
> So I hooked up the hose at the house, lit the water heater and let it run.
> Sprayed the connections with soapy water and found no leaks.
>
> So I left it running and went into the house. When I went back out, water
> was running out the bottom of the trailer everywhere. Shut the water off
> and went inside to find the entire floor flooded.
>
> I give up...
>
> -Tim
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
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Message Number: 4
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:52:10 -0400
From: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My airstream Pictures..
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Daisy,
Would that be 'copper colored' anodized aluminum?
I know that aladine (sp?) will turn aluminum a range of colors from =
light gold to blue. Depends how long you leave it in the solution. I =
will say though that you only need a light coloring from this acid which =
then forms a protective oxide to protect the metal. Deeper color means =
more oxide in this case.
Another reason to dip it in aladine? is to give primer paint a good =
adhere to the etching from the solution.
Tom
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Subject: [VAC] Re: My airstream Pictures..
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brake etc ?
And can you get the copper anodized aluminum trim anywhere ?
Daisy
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Would that be 'copper colored' anodized =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I know that aladine (sp?) will turn =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Another reason to dip it in aladine? is =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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Message Number: 5
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:53:44 -0400
From: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I quit!
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Where did the water line blow out, Tim?
Don't give up! ;) You will remember these times and smile to yourself =
in years to come just knowing that you were able to overcome this =
trailer's problems. Isn't this what all vintage owners suffer from time =
to time?
Tom
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Tim Shephard=20
To: Multiple recipients of VACList=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 9:20 PM
Subject: [VAC] I quit!
I have been working on this trailer ('71 Safari) for a year and a =
half. Put
thousands of dollars into it.
Took it out twice. Last time we could smell gas inside near the water
heater.
So I hooked up the hose at the house, lit the water heater and let it =
run.
Sprayed the connections with soapy water and found no leaks.
So I left it running and went into the house. When I went back out, =
water
was running out the bottom of the trailer everywhere. Shut the water =
off
and went inside to find the entire floor flooded.
I give up...
-Tim
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Where did the water line blow out,=20
Tim?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don't give up! ;) You will =
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were=20
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vintage=20
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<DIV><BR></DIV>I have been working on this trailer ('71 Safari) for a =
year and=20
a half. Put<BR>thousands of dollars into it.<BR><BR>Took it out=20
twice. Last time we could smell gas inside near the=20
water<BR>heater.<BR><BR>So I hooked up the hose at the house, lit the =
water=20
heater and let it run.<BR>Sprayed the connections with soapy water and =
found=20
no leaks.<BR><BR>So I left it running and went into the house. =
When I=20
went back out, water<BR>was running out the bottom of the trailer=20
everywhere. Shut the water off<BR>and went inside to find the =
entire=20
floor flooded.<BR><BR>I give up...<BR><BR><BR>-Tim<BR><A=20
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Message Number: 6
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:08:52 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Argosy Models
The Argosy production run was in two groups. The more familiar round style was
built from 1972 (as a 73 model) until 1979. Both a motorhome and travel trailer
were built during this time under the Argosy name. There are some possible 80's
models of the round style. The 1979 model year was the changeover year for the
motorhome. That year Airstream built 3 versions, the last of the Argosy's, a
painted Airstream and an Airstream "silver bullet".
The second run started as a 1986 model. It was the first of the square built
coaches. It was a metal skinned coach with a mustard and black color scheme. It
was also built in 1987. In 1988 Airstream changed to a composite fiberglass wall
construction, changed the color to gray and called it an "Airstream". Thus was
born the infamous "Squarestream". The club at the time had a fit. After the 1989
model year Airstream changed the name to Landyacht and continued to build them
into 1992. The 1988-89 time frame was also Airstream's first experiment with
fifth wheels.
Charlie
"Kevin D. Allen" wrote:
> Greetings Bob!
>
> In its short history, Argosy had several distinct models. Probably the most
> familiar is the trailer that looks like a painted Airstream, and was built
> from 1973 through the end of Argosy production. Motorhomes (also with the
> streamlined classic Airstream shape) were also produced under the Argosy
> banner, but I am not certain of the precise beginning and ending dates for
> the motorhomes. Toward the end of the make's existence, I believe that
> there were a few "square" Argosys built just prior to the introduction or in
> conjunction with the introduction/production of the "square-stream" trailers
> in the Airstream line.
>
> Kevin Allen
> WBCCI/VAC #6359
> 1964 Airstream Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
> 1978 Argosy Minuet/1975 Cadillac Eldorado Convertible (Towcar in Training)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: My Airstream <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 3:06 PM
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Fuse Block - Dashboard Heater
>
> > Off topic. I saw a picture of a 77 Argosy recently and it didn't look
> like
> > an RV. Did they make both RV models and travel trailers. Also what do
> you
> > think your 77 Argosy is worth. Sorry to distract.
> >
> > Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
> > 66 Airstream Safari
> > Mira Mar Mobile Park
> > Oceanside, CA
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Message Number: 7
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:09:21 -0400
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I quit!
Tim, what can I say? It hopefully will not seem quite so demoralizing
tomorrow. Every once in a while it's probably a good idea to take a look
back and reflect on how much you have accomplished in the past year and a
half. One thing is for sure. There isn't as much to be done now as there was
when you started. Protect your investment and finish the job. Nobody knows
that ' 71 Safari like you do or will value it like you do. You have a lot of
friends on the list for whatever help we can be.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
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From: "Tim Shephard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 21:20
Subject: [VAC] I quit!
> I have been working on this trailer ('71 Safari) for a year and a half.
Put
> thousands of dollars into it.
>
> Took it out twice. Last time we could smell gas inside near the water
> heater.
>
> So I hooked up the hose at the house, lit the water heater and let it run.
> Sprayed the connections with soapy water and found no leaks.
>
> So I left it running and went into the house. When I went back out, water
> was running out the bottom of the trailer everywhere. Shut the water off
> and went inside to find the entire floor flooded.
>
> I give up...
>
>
> -Tim
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
> eFax (508) 590-0302
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Message Number: 8
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:21:31 -0700
From: "Tim Shephard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I quit!
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I'm sure I won't give up. I am a glutton for punishment ;-)
Do these vintage trailers ever just work? Or is it use it one week, =
work on it for months, use it a week, work on it......
I don't know yet where the water is coming from since I just rushed to =
turn it off and mop it up. I also raised it as per Daisy's suggestion =
(thanks) to have it tilt back and let the water drain.
There are some rubber hoses that some previous owner replaced bad copper =
with. I had been in the process of replacing some dried up hoses on the =
water pump input.
Are rubber hoses with clamps and acceptable repair?
I have to wait until I have some time to move the couches and such out =
of the way and have someone turn the hose on briefly so I can find the =
problem. Not looking forward to that ;-(
-Tim
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Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 7:53 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: I quit!
Where did the water line blow out, Tim?
Don't give up! ;) You will remember these times and smile to yourself =
in years to come just knowing that you were able to overcome this =
trailer's problems. Isn't this what all vintage owners suffer from time =
to time?
Tom
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Tim Shephard=20
To: Multiple recipients of VACList=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 9:20 PM
Subject: [VAC] I quit!
I have been working on this trailer ('71 Safari) for a year and a =
half. Put
thousands of dollars into it.
Took it out twice. Last time we could smell gas inside near the =
water
heater.
So I hooked up the hose at the house, lit the water heater and let =
it run.
Sprayed the connections with soapy water and found no leaks.
So I left it running and went into the house. When I went back out, =
water
was running out the bottom of the trailer everywhere. Shut the =
water off
and went inside to find the entire floor flooded.
I give up...
-Tim
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There are some rubber hoses that some =
previous=20
owner replaced bad copper with. I had been in the process of =
replacing=20
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briefly so I=20
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;-(</FONT></DIV>
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Message Number: 9
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:25:32 -0400
From: "Edward Emerick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I quit!
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Hello Tim,
Never give up! I have washed my Airstreams from the inside out many
times over the years, at least it's clean! I have run into many problems
and setbacks over the years but refuse to give up. My 68 has new skin
water leaks, popping rivets on the front and my 75 Travelall smoked some
wires this weekend. It's a hobby and not my job, so all I have is time
and time working on the Airstream adds time to my life span, sort of
like fishing, for each minute you fish you add 3 to your life. Step
back, drink a beer and ponder the situation.
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler
75 IH Travelall just smokin
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Tom
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:54 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: I quit!
Where did the water line blow out, Tim?
Don't give up! ;) You will remember these times and smile to yourself
in years to come just knowing that you were able to overcome this
trailer's problems. Isn't this what all vintage owners suffer from time
to time?
Tom
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To: Multiple <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> recipients of VACList
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 9:20 PM
Subject: [VAC] I quit!
I have been working on this trailer ('71 Safari) for a year and a half.
Put
thousands of dollars into it.
Took it out twice. Last time we could smell gas inside near the water
heater.
So I hooked up the hose at the house, lit the water heater and let it
run.
Sprayed the connections with soapy water and found no leaks.
So I left it running and went into the house. When I went back out,
water
was running out the bottom of the trailer everywhere. Shut the water
off
and went inside to find the entire floor flooded.
I give up...
-Tim
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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Tim,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Never give up! I have washed my =
Airstreams
from the inside out many times over the years, at least it’s =
clean! I have
run into many problems and setbacks over the years but refuse to give =
up. My 68
has new skin water leaks, popping rivets on the front and my 75 <span
class=3DSpellE>Travelall</span> smoked some wires this weekend. =
It’s a hobby
and not my job, so all I have is time and time working on the Airstream =
adds time
to my life span, sort of like fishing, for each minute you fish you add =
3 to your
life. Step back, drink a beer and ponder the =
situation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DSpellE><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>WBCCI/VAC</span><=
/font></span><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> 4425<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On =
Behalf Of </span></b>Tom<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September =
03, 2002
10:54 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Multiple recipients =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [VAC] Re: I =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Don't give up! ;) You =
will
remember these times and smile to yourself in years to come just =
knowing
that you were able to overcome this trailer's problems. Isn't this =
what
all vintage owners suffer from time to =
time?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I have been working on this trailer ('71 =
Safari) for a
year and a half. Put<br>
thousands of dollars into it.<br>
<br>
Took it out twice. Last time we could smell gas inside near the =
water<br>
heater.<br>
<br>
So I hooked up the hose at the house, lit the water heater and let it =
run.<br>
Sprayed the connections with soapy water and found no leaks.<br>
<br>
So I left it running and went into the house. When I went back =
out, water<br>
was running out the bottom of the trailer everywhere. Shut the =
water off<br>
and went inside to find the entire floor flooded.<br>
<br>
I give up...<br>
<br>
<br>
-Tim<br>
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eFax (508) 590-0302<br>
<br>
<br>
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Message Number: 10
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:39:05 -0600
From: "Pete Ryner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I quit!
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Tim,
Don't give up! I've done a couple of old Airstreams now and find that some
systems just don't work with a mix of old and new. My old water heater was
intact, but the copper pipes had all been stretched from having water in
them over several winters. I tried to splice new copper and plastic at
several locations, but found that the copper just didn't fit anything
available. I'm sure that's why the PO used rubber hoses, nothing else would
fit. Anyway, I decided to scrap the entire water system and put a new one
in. When trying to disconnect the water heater, I quickly found that the
entire heater was rotted out. The input and output pipes easily broke off
with little pressure. The whole system was a pile of rust. Sounds like
your system is prime for a replacement, not a patch repair. Recommend a new
water heater with all new pipes. It's not that difficult and you will be
worry free for years.
Good luck
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim
Shephard
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 9:22 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: I quit!
I'm sure I won't give up. I am a glutton for punishment ;-)
Do these vintage trailers ever just work? Or is it use it one week, work
on it for months, use it a week, work on it......
I don't know yet where the water is coming from since I just rushed to
turn it off and mop it up. I also raised it as per Daisy's suggestion
(thanks) to have it tilt back and let the water drain.
There are some rubber hoses that some previous owner replaced bad copper
with. I had been in the process of replacing some dried up hoses on the
water pump input.
Are rubber hoses with clamps and acceptable repair?
I have to wait until I have some time to move the couches and such out of
the way and have someone turn the hose on briefly so I can find the problem.
Not looking forward to that ;-(
-Tim
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
eFax (508) 590-0302
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 7:53 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: I quit!
Where did the water line blow out, Tim?
Don't give up! ;) You will remember these times and smile to yourself
in years to come just knowing that you were able to overcome this trailer's
problems. Isn't this what all vintage owners suffer from time to time?
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Shephard
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 9:20 PM
Subject: [VAC] I quit!
I have been working on this trailer ('71 Safari) for a year and a
half. Put
thousands of dollars into it.
Took it out twice. Last time we could smell gas inside near the water
heater.
So I hooked up the hose at the house, lit the water heater and let it
run.
Sprayed the connections with soapy water and found no leaks.
So I left it running and went into the house. When I went back out,
water
was running out the bottom of the trailer everywhere. Shut the water
off
and went inside to find the entire floor flooded.
I give up...
-Tim
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D893133003-04092002>Tim,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D893133003-04092002>Don't=20
give up! I've done a couple of old Airstreams now and find that =
some=20
systems just don't work with a mix of old and new. My old water =
heater was=20
intact, but the copper pipes had all been stretched from having water in =
them=20
over several winters. I tried to splice new copper and plastic at =
several=20
locations, but found that the copper just didn't fit anything =
available. =20
I'm sure that's why the PO used rubber hoses, nothing else would =
fit. =20
Anyway, I decided to scrap the entire water system and put a new one =
in. =20
When trying to disconnect the water heater, I quickly found that the =
entire=20
heater was rotted out. The input and output pipes easily broke off =
with=20
little pressure. The whole system was a pile of rust. Sounds =
like=20
your system is prime for a replacement, not a patch repair. =
Recommend a=20
new water heater with all new pipes. It's not that difficult and =
you will=20
be worry free for years. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D893133003-04092002>Good=20
luck </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D893133003-04092002>Pete</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
[EMAIL PROTECTED]=20
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Tim =
Shephard<BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
Tuesday, September 03, 2002 9:22 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Multiple recipients =
of=20
VACList<BR><B>Subject:</B> [VAC] Re: I quit!<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm sure I won't give up. I am =
a glutton=20
for punishment ;-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Do these vintage trailers ever just =
work?=20
Or is it use it one week, work on it for months, use it a week, =
work on=20
it......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't know yet where the water is =
coming from=20
since I just rushed to turn it off and mop it up. I also raised =
it as=20
per Daisy's suggestion (thanks) to have it tilt back and let the water =
drain.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There are some rubber hoses that some =
previous=20
owner replaced bad copper with. I had been in the process of =
replacing=20
some dried up hoses on the water pump input.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are rubber hoses with clamps and =
acceptable=20
repair?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have to wait until I have some time =
to move the=20
couches and such out of the way and have someone turn the hose on =
briefly so I=20
can find the problem. Not looking forward to that =
;-(</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>-Tim<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A><BR><A=20
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href=3D"http://www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim";>http://www.telecom-pros.com/=
tim/tim</A><BR>eFax=20
(508) 590-0302</DIV>
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<A [EMAIL PROTECTED]=20
href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>Tom</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
[EMAIL PROTECTED]=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 03, =
2002 7:53=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [VAC] Re: I =
quit!</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Where did the water line blow out,=20
Tim?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don't give up! ;) You will =
remember these=20
times and smile to yourself in years to come just knowing that =
you were=20
able to overcome this trailer's problems. Isn't this what all =
vintage=20
owners suffer from time to time?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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Shephard</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September =
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9:20 PM</DIV>
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quit!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I have been working on this trailer ('71 Safari) =
for a year=20
and a half. Put<BR>thousands of dollars into it.<BR><BR>Took =
it out=20
twice. Last time we could smell gas inside near the=20
water<BR>heater.<BR><BR>So I hooked up the hose at the house, lit =
the=20
water heater and let it run.<BR>Sprayed the connections with soapy =
water=20
and found no leaks.<BR><BR>So I left it running and went into the=20
house. When I went back out, water<BR>was running out the =
bottom of=20
the trailer everywhere. Shut the water off<BR>and went =
inside to=20
find the entire floor flooded.<BR><BR>I give =
up...<BR><BR><BR>-Tim<BR><A=20
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Message Number: 11
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:54:57 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I quit!
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Each time I take The Silver Abaltross out something Goes wrong. this last 4
month trip the following 1st a rubber hose that was used for a repair burst
while we were away. people hunted us up to tell what water wag gushing out
othe underside of the trailer.
@nd a little later the bath sink fawect would not shut off. A quick trip to
home depot in Milwakee fixed that
3rd At a dump station at a roadside rest in WiS the handle pulled out of the
dump valve. Spent some time at another roadside rest chilisinf and access to
the gate so I ciuld hump it with a scrwedriver. It dumped in my lap. Thank
god I was parked between 2 semis so I could strip down before intering the
trailer.It was also raining so the parking lot cleaned its self.
4th one of the sweated joints in the plumming failed so I had to use the
storage tank the rest of the trip and the pump so as to keep pressure off the
system.
5th The airflow got blocked to my generator and I cooked the diesel motor.
Why do I keep beating my head against abrick wall? because it feels so good
when I quit.
O ne day I will have a trouble free trip.(meby when they are taking my ashes
to the VA cemetary.
Jim Smith
1965 Tradewind(the Silver Abaltross)
1992 Dodge Cummins Diesel
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FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Each time I take The Silver Abaltross out something Goes wrong.
this last 4 month trip the following 1st a rubber hose that was used for a repair
burst@nd a little later the bath sink fawect would not shut off. A quick trip to home
depot in Milwakee fixed that <BR>
3rd At a dump station at a roadside rest in WiS the handle pulled out of the
dump valve. Spent some time at another roadside rest chilisinf and access to the gate
so I ciuld hump it with a scrwedriver. It dumped in my lap. Thank god I was parked
bet4th one of the sweated joints in the plumming failed so I had to use the storage
tank the rest of the trip and the pump so as to keep pressure off the system.<BR>
5th The airflow got blocked to my generator and I cooked the diesel motor.<BR>
Why do I keep beating my head against abrick wall? because it feels so good when I
quit.<BR>
O ne day I will have a trouble free trip.(meby when they are taking my ashes to the VA
cemetary.<BR>
Jim Smith<BR>
1965 Tradewind(the Silver Abaltross)<BR>
1992 Dodge Cummins Diesel</P></FONT></HTML>
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Message Number: 12
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 00:03:59 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Floor flooded
on 09/03/02 9:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have been working on this trailer ('71 Safari) for a year and a half. Put
> thousands of dollars into it.
>
> Took it out twice. Last time we could smell gas inside near the water
> heater.
>
> So I hooked up the hose at the house, lit the water heater and let it run.
> Sprayed the connections with soapy water and found no leaks.
>
> So I left it running and went into the house. When I went back out, water
> was running out the bottom of the trailer everywhere. Shut the water off
> and went inside to find the entire floor flooded.
Hey Tim,
Upside is it'll take a few low humidity days with windows open and cupboard
doors ajar to dry the floor. In terms of things that can go wrong while
doing a restoration, you lucked out.
Now that you've scrounged up portable fans and positioned them so their
stream of air is directed into every nook and cranny for a week, you can
take a break and make a new plan.
Just think - next week you'll have a dry floor and be right back at the same
point in time and space as you were before the flood. The only difference
will be you just had a week's vacation. Lucky duck.
Seriously, I know a flooded floor is no fun and being able to see the upside
is not easy. But you know you have to talk yourself out of any thoughts
about quitting. That's not in the cards for you. Perseverence is your only
choice and mastering the beast is your only option. < grin >
And that's that,
Terry
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:04:30 -0400
From: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I quit!
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Tim,
Now that you are thinking 'right' again, glad you intend to carry on! ;)
I have water line problems in our 1969 29' International Ambassador. =
I've had blow outs from time to time and it's not fun to hear a hissing =
sound from "somewhere" in here! Usually the darn leaking copper pipe is =
a bear to get to but we've all been there or will go there one day as =
the owner of a vintage trailer.
In our case I think that the lines have frozen in the past, no, make =
that I KNOW the lines have frozen in the past. Copper can be forgiving =
to a point, it will stretch but then the sidewall of the tubing gets =
paper thin if it doesn't burst. Add in some hard water with it's high =
mineral content and soon you will be cleaning out the faucet screen =
aerators every time you go out. Most of us do that too.
Since the 'original' setup in ours was straight copper water lines I =
wanted to go that way again. The guy at Home Depot (there's always a =
guy somewhere at any Home Depot, yes?) questioned my sanity and =
suggested that in order to avoid buying even more parts I should go with =
copper tubing in a roll. Guess that guy had a point but maybe I like =
the 'warmth' a blow torch gives off? ;) I don't mind sweating joints =
together and even bought the asbestos cloth to keep down the fire damage =
claims to Allstate. Not really! But you have to be careful.
I personally would not go with rubber hose and clamps as a repair. An =
emergency repair? Yes, but not a permanent replacement. For one thing =
I don't know how sanitary or healthy a plain rubber hose would be =
thought we've all most likely taken a sip of water from a water hose or =
garden hose or even a 'hose pipe' as they are known in the South. ;)
"When" you have time to do this right, you might want to replace ALL the =
water lines eventually. You can buy a cap with hose threads (or hose =
pipe threads!) and then drill out the center of the cap and install a =
Shrader (?) air valve. This will then allow you to blow out the water =
lines but good! This is the good kind of good, Tim. ;) When you do =
this do it one faucet at a time, that is first the Cold then the Hot, at =
each faucet. You get the picture. When you are all done you will only =
have water in the drain traps which you can then add antifreeze to, this =
would all be done for winter storage if you don't plan to use it during =
that time of year.
And don't forget to 'bypass' the water heater most likely. I think we =
have a separate drain for *both* the water storage tank and the hot =
water heater.
Once I get ours fixed it will not be allowed to freeze again. Not on my =
watch! It's too darn hard to get those lines done more than once in my =
book, but it's necessary if you don't want any surprises miles away from =
home. And boy oh boy! Did you get a surprise tonight!
See, Tim? It could have been worse, it could have happened right after =
you got set up last weekend! Glad it didn't but it could have and your =
weekend would have been a wash. Pun intended. ;)
>From what I can see in your pictures you are doing a mighty good job, =
please keep up the good work. =20
Tom
From: Tim Shephard=20
I'm sure I won't give up. I am a glutton for punishment ;-)
Do these vintage trailers ever just work? Or is it use it one week, =
work on it for months, use it a week, work on it......
I don't know yet where the water is coming from since I just rushed to =
turn it off and mop it up. I also raised it as per Daisy's suggestion =
(thanks) to have it tilt back and let the water drain.
There are some rubber hoses that some previous owner replaced bad =
copper with. I had been in the process of replacing some dried up hoses =
on the water pump input.
Are rubber hoses with clamps and acceptable repair?
I have to wait until I have some time to move the couches and such out =
of the way and have someone turn the hose on briefly so I can find the =
problem. Not looking forward to that ;-(
-Tim
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tim,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now that you are thinking 'right' =
again, glad you=20
intend to carry on! ;)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have water line problems in our 1969 =
29'=20
International Ambassador. I've had blow outs from time to time and =
it's=20
not fun to hear a hissing sound from "somewhere" in here! Usually =
the darn=20
leaking copper pipe is a bear to get to but we've all been there or will =
go=20
there one day as the owner of a vintage trailer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In our case I think that the lines have =
frozen in=20
the past, no, make that I KNOW the lines have frozen in the past. =
Copper=20
can be forgiving to a point, it will stretch but then the sidewall of =
the tubing=20
gets paper thin if it doesn't burst. Add in some hard water with =
it's high=20
mineral content and soon you will be cleaning out the faucet screen =
aerators=20
every time you go out. Most of us do that too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Since the 'original' setup in ours was =
straight=20
copper water lines I wanted to go that way again. The guy at Home =
Depot=20
(there's always a guy somewhere at any Home Depot, yes?) questioned my =
sanity=20
and suggested that in order to avoid buying even more parts I should go =
with=20
copper tubing in a roll. Guess that guy had a point but maybe I =
like the=20
'warmth' a blow torch gives off? ;) I don't mind sweating joints =
together=20
and even bought the asbestos cloth to keep down the fire damage claims =
to=20
Allstate. Not really! But you have to be =
careful.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I personally would not go with rubber =
hose and=20
clamps as a repair. An emergency repair? Yes, but not a =
permanent=20
replacement. For one thing I don't know how sanitary or =
healthy a=20
plain rubber hose would be thought we've all most likely taken a sip of =
water=20
from a water hose or garden hose or even a 'hose pipe' as they are known =
in the=20
South. ;)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"When" you have time to do this right, =
you might=20
want to replace ALL the water lines eventually. You can buy a cap =
with=20
hose threads (or hose pipe threads!) and then drill out the center of =
the cap=20
and install a Shrader (?) air valve. This will then allow you to =
blow out=20
the water lines but good! This is the good kind of good, Tim. =
;) =20
When you do this do it one faucet at a time, that is first the Cold then =
the=20
Hot, at each faucet. You get the picture. When you are all =
done you=20
will only have water in the drain traps which you can then add =
antifreeze to,=20
this would all be done for winter storage if you don't plan to use it =
during=20
that time of year.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And don't forget to 'bypass' the water =
heater most=20
likely. I think we have a separate drain for *both* the water =
storage tank=20
and the hot water heater.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Once I get ours fixed it will not be =
allowed to=20
freeze again. Not on my watch! It's too darn hard to get =
those lines=20
done more than once in my book, but it's necessary if you don't want any =
surprises miles away from home. And boy oh boy! Did you get =
a=20
surprise tonight!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>See, Tim? It could have been =
worse, it could=20
have happened right after you got set up last weekend! Glad it =
didn't but=20
it could have and your weekend would have been a wash. Pun =
intended.=20
;)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From what I can see in your pictures =
you are doing=20
a mighty good job, please keep up the good work. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm sure I won't give up. I am =
a glutton=20
for punishment ;-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Do these vintage trailers ever just =
work?=20
Or is it use it one week, work on it for months, use it a week, =
work on=20
it......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't know yet where the water is =
coming from=20
since I just rushed to turn it off and mop it up. I also raised =
it as=20
per Daisy's suggestion (thanks) to have it tilt back and let the water =
drain.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There are some rubber hoses that some =
previous=20
owner replaced bad copper with. I had been in the process of =
replacing=20
some dried up hoses on the water pump input.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are rubber hoses with clamps and =
acceptable=20
repair?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have to wait until I have some time =
to move the=20
couches and such out of the way and have someone turn the hose on =
briefly so I=20
can find the problem. Not looking forward to that =
;-(</FONT></DIV>
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Message Number: 14
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 03:50:00 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I quit!
> Tim Shephard wrote:
> >
> > I have been working on this trailer ('71 Safari) for a year and a half.
Put
> > thousands of dollars into it.
Hi Tim,
Like most VAC list Airstream restorers/RVers, I have many frustrating
events that sometimes leave my restorations sitting for months and doubts
about the many thousands of dollars and time invested. I always come back
because the truth is, I like the challenge and the education. VAC list
contributors always bring me out of my doldrums.
For example, I've spent nearly two months trying to get my '74 Argosy on the
road for a vacation that was to begin during the first week of September.
First, I couldn't find a replacement toilet that fits the existing bathroom
design. Well, I can get along with a porta potty on the toilet shelf,
can't I?
So, I filled the new OPD propane tanks and decided to check the torsion
axles - yep, they are shot and have the dreaded positive angle - meaning no
springs and coach damage if I tow. Well, no problem as I've heard that
other restorers replaced axles. But, the preliminary cost for each of the
two axles is $1500 or $3000! :) Not in the budget for this year as I must
be in Baton Rouge, LA a few weeks from now.
Despite the axle setback, I ripped out the front gaucho, pulled the water
tank, and readied the floor for penetrating epoxy by drilling a zillion
holes in the 1/2 inch plywood flooring. On the side nearest the water
heater, the drill bit, drill and all went right through the floor. No
penetrating epoxy for this area and I must make a patch. No problemo, I've
been here before and I'm up to the task! :)
With regard to plumbing, my '74 Argosy was freeze damaged to the extent that
all copper plumbing is gone and replaced with PEX. Those joints where I
want to remove something like a water heater, I used quest fittings rather
than the crimp rings. PEX can take incredible bends and be held with clamps
as the new plumbing is snaked throughout the trailer. Also, PEX seems to
be the preferred installation by professionals for mobile homes, prebuilt
homes, SOB travel trailers, and new Airstreams. PEX can survive a freeze!
If leaks occur from freeze due to expansion of the compression rings, it's a
simple matter to fit the tool and restore the original crimp. :)
The tool to crimp PEX costs about $100, but I've used it to also replace all
the copper plumbing in the '69 Safari. The Safari didn't have freeze
damage, just nasty looking copper through out the coach. Replacement of
large floor sections in the bathroom required cutting out of much of the
copper anyway. I'm not a fan of trying to use a torch in confined areas.
Especially with today's higher melting temperature lead free solder.
If your coach had freeze damage in one area, you'll find that most of the
plumbing has damaged copper that will leak sooner or later. IMHO,
replacement of the all the copper is essential to trouble free use of the
coach.
I haven't hardly looked in the '69 Safari restoration for a year and the
belly is still hanging and waiting for me to button it up. Meanwhile, I
noticed that most of the panels are delaminating. :(
Yes, I'm frustrated and burned out from the continual finding of additional
near catastrophic circumstances that seem to appear unexpectedly. Then,
like you, a few days of reflection about all the successes of the past and
I'm back at it again. All the while thinking that the idea is to travel and
meet the great people of the VAC.
Keep the faith Tim, your setback is minor and can be easily overcome.
Harvey Barlow kept me encouraged to continue my restoration of the '69
Safari, despite what seemed overwhelming problems. You have an army of
support to help you through this small problem.
Regards, '74 Argosy
'69 Safari
Struggling to get one on the road, Joy
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Message Number: 15
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 08:15:48 -0400
From: Chris Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PJM-> I quit!
Tim Shephard wrote:
> I have been working on this trailer ('71 Safari) for a year and a half. Put
> thousands of dollars into it.
>
> I give up...
>
> -Tim
>
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Hey Tim ,
Just a little setback , but in every adversity is greater benefit .When you get
it fixed , it wont break again for a while ...
How many other 30 year old trailers did you see on the road on your trip ? I
know I`m not what I once was 30 years ago !
I feel bad for the folks who spend tens (or hundreds) of thousands on S.O.B.
trailers and motorhomes which will be landfill in 15 years . Lose thousands the
day they drive off the lot .
But I know how your feeling , been there . I wonder what I`m thinking
sometimes ...
dont stop now ,
Chris - 39 year old trailer , wont be on road for a year (or more ) , soon
selling the one I have on the road (only 35 y.o.) to raise funds for the other
. ..
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Message Number: 16
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 09:29:13 -0400
From: "David W. Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fantastic Fan Installation Questions
I will soon be the proud owner of two Fantastic Fans. I will be installing
them in the front and rear of my 1977 31' center bath Sovereign.
After going through the archives, there seems to be two camps as far as
installation of the Fantastic Fans goes. One uses Vulcum on the outer
gasket and flange, the other uses no Vulcum on the gasket & flange and only
seals the flange edge and screw heads after installation.
I would like to hear from of the "no Vulcum" folks to see if they have
experienced any leaks or problems.
Should I use stainless steel screws?
I called the manufacturer and they will be sending me the inside trim piece
for the Airstream for free. What nice folks!
Any other tips/hints or pointers?
Dave
_________________________________________________________________
Dave & Ann Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 17
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:19:56 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Enlarging jack post mounts
John. A cutting torch works great and is the fastest of all.
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 18
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 08:58:40 -0600
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I quit!
Tim
I've got a 1959 that I just did a 4800 mile trip with and no problems. So
yes it is very possible to have a trailer that is trouble free. The key is
you really have to keep on top of the maintenance. Once all systems are
gone over and fixed, they will be reliable. You should expect old
appliances to fail at some point, unless you replace now.
I find my trailers to be more of a hobby. I've been were you are, you
discover something and think it will be impossible/expensive to fix, then
you walk away from it and as you think about it suddenly it gets easier to
fix. Plumbing is one of the easier fixes. Messy, but easy.
My biggest fustration was with polishing - spent many many hours on the 59
and when it was done had lots of swirl marks (that I could see) and if
someone had come along and given me a $100 for it I would have taken it.
We took the trailer camping and it was a people magnet - got lots of
comments on how beautiful it looked - and I had a blast - with renewed
interest. Now after several years of annual "maintenance polishing" the
swirl marks are minimal and it looks great.
So hang in there - after all we are having fun - aren't we?
Ken Johansen
5359
59 Traveler
75 Tradewind
At 06:20 PM 9/3/02 -0700, you wrote:
>I have been working on this trailer ('71 Safari) for a year and a half. Put
>thousands of dollars into it.
>
>Took it out twice. Last time we could smell gas inside near the water
>heater.
>
>So I hooked up the hose at the house, lit the water heater and let it run.
>Sprayed the connections with soapy water and found no leaks.
>
>So I left it running and went into the house. When I went back out, water
>was running out the bottom of the trailer everywhere. Shut the water off
>and went inside to find the entire floor flooded.
>
>I give up...
>
>
>-Tim
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
>eFax (508) 590-0302
>
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Message Number: 19
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:25:43 -0800
From: "Yosef P. Rosen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: electrical mystery
Thanks for the suggestions...Yes, Burning Man was quite spectacular and I
advise anyone to experience it at least once in their lifetime (with their
Airstream of course). I tried cleaning the contacts on both sides of the
car connection and still no luck.
This may or may not be related to the running light problem, but there seems
to be some other electrical damage to the system as well, in that the
battery OR shore power when plugged in, is not transferring any power to the
trailer. Battery has been tested and is good. But it seems as if something
'tripped' when I tried attaching the low power generator. As I wrote in my
original e-mail, I seem to recall something about "automatically resetting"
breakers somewhere in the system. Does anyone know about these or where
they are or if they could be the problem?
Thanks again,
Yosef
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:57:10 -0800
From: "Yosef P. Rosen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: electrical mystery
Hi Wise Ones:
Me and the 67' Globetrotter just got back from a full week at the Burning
Man festival in Nevada's Black Rock desert and ran into an electrical
problem:
After the batter finally died from running the interior lights and water
pump, i tried recharging it via a gas powered generator using an adaptor for
the shore power plug. It didn't work -maybe too weak a generator -1000
watts.
I dont know if I shorted anything or if this happened for a different
reason, but now the brake lights and turn signals no longer work when
plugged into my Jeep. I checked the two visible fuses in the battery
compartment, I reset the two circuit breakers in the rear...
What do these symptoms indicate? I seem to recall something about some
"automatically resetting" breakers somewhere in the system.
Thanks,
Yosef
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yosef P. Rosen
Chief Executive Officer
L3i Interface Technologies
www.L3i.com
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Message Number: 20
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:49:55 -0700
From: "Tim Shephard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Second Wind.... was I quit!
Thanks everyone for the encourgement.
I'm glad that you can have a trouble free trailer at some point. I am one
of those personallities that does not mine working hard on something, but I
want to reap what I sow.
It seems the best thing to do is redue the whole plumbing system (water
supply side) with PEX. Does anyone have any pictures of their redone
plumbing? I'd like to see what I am dealing with since I am not a plumber.
Of course I wasn't a floor installer, cabinet builder, appliance installer,
window repairman, or riviter either. ;-)
-Tim
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
eFax (508) 590-0302
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Message Number: 21
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 12:33:21 -0600
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Second Wind.... was I quit!
At 10:49 AM 9/4/02 -0700, you wrote:
>I'm glad that you can have a trouble free trailer at some point.
Hang in there - - - there is an end to the project............
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Message Number: 22
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:45:42 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fantastic Fan Installation Questions
Definitely use SS screws whenever you can. Fantastic Fans comes with an
inside trip piece that works perfectly on the Airstream. I don't understand
why an Airstream trim piece is necessary? We used Vulcem all the way around
but "it never rains in California" so we may have to wait a long while to
test the installation.
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
From: "David W. Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [VAC] Fantastic Fan Installation Questions
> Should I use stainless steel screws?
>
> I called the manufacturer and they will be sending me the inside trim
piece
> for the Airstream for free. What nice folks!
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Message Number: 23
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:56:08 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I quit!
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It doesn't sound like you have or did any major damage. Your floor =
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66 Airstream Safari=20
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Message Number: 24
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:14:42 -0500
From: "Jim Combs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I quit!
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Hey, Tim -- Thanks!
It's good to know I'm not the only one that has gotten
overwhelmed by these trials and tribulations.
You should've seen me about a year ago when I found I
could no longer face the 4'x8' exposure of rusted frame
(and the lawn beneath it) that used to be my rear bath.
It was good to walk away, and not come back until I
was of the proper mindset. That took quite awhile.
But now the bathroom is back in over a new, solid floor.
Just needs caulked and new flooring laid down. I'm on
to the closets now, working my way forward rebuilding
and refreshing, planning and modifying. Parts of it are
fun, other parts are a real pain. The end result will
be mine, and I know I'll feel darn good about that.
I didn't think the whole thing would take as long as it
already has, but hey -- nothing's ever easy.
Jimbo / '76 Sovereign
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Shephard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
[snip]
>So I left it running and went into the house. When I went back out, water
>was running out the bottom of the trailer everywhere. Shut the water off
>and went inside to find the entire floor flooded.
>
>I give up...
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Hey, Tim -- Thanks!</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>It's good to know I'm not the only one that has gotten </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>You should've seen me about a year ago when I found I </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>could no longer face the 4'x8' exposure of rusted frame </FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>It was good to walk away, and not come back until I </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>But now the bathroom is back in over a new, solid floor. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Just needs caulked and new flooring laid down. I'm on </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>to the closets now, working my way forward rebuilding </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>and refreshing, planning and modifying. Parts of it are </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>fun, other parts are a real pain. The end result will </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>be mine, and I know I'll feel darn good about that. </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I didn't think the whole thing would take as long as it </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>already has, but hey -- nothing's ever easy. </FONT>
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Message Number: 25
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:38:15 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Argosy Models
Dear Charlie & Kevin,
Thank you both for the Argosy Info. My original question was prompted
by an ad that (I thought) I saw in the RV Trader magazine here in So Cal.
After you wrote back I went to carefully check the same mag and I gotta
lotta nada! Can't find it anymore. The mind is playing tricks on me.
BTW: There are three vintage Airstreams and one Avion in the RV Trader. If
anyone is interested I'll pass on the year model and description, price and
phone number. I am not an agent :)
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie/Betty Burke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 8:08 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Argosy Models
> The Argosy production run was in two groups. The more familiar round style
was
> built from 1972 (as a 73 model) until 1979. Both a motorhome and travel
trailer
> were built during this time under the Argosy name. There are some possible
80's
> models of the round style. The 1979 model year was the changeover year for
the
> motorhome. That year Airstream built 3 versions, the last of the Argosy's,
a
> painted Airstream and an Airstream "silver bullet".
> The second run started as a 1986 model. It was the first of the square
built
> coaches. It was a metal skinned coach with a mustard and black color
scheme. It
> was also built in 1987. In 1988 Airstream changed to a composite
fiberglass wall
> construction, changed the color to gray and called it an "Airstream". Thus
was
> born the infamous "Squarestream". The club at the time had a fit. After
the 1989
> model year Airstream changed the name to Landyacht and continued to build
them
> into 1992. The 1988-89 time frame was also Airstream's first experiment
with
> fifth wheels.
>
> Charlie
>
> "Kevin D. Allen" wrote:
>
> > Greetings Bob!
> >
> > In its short history, Argosy had several distinct models. Probably the
most
> > familiar is the trailer that looks like a painted Airstream, and was
built
> > from 1973 through the end of Argosy production. Motorhomes (also with
the
> > streamlined classic Airstream shape) were also produced under the Argosy
> > banner, but I am not certain of the precise beginning and ending dates
for
> > the motorhomes. Toward the end of the make's existence, I believe that
> > there were a few "square" Argosys built just prior to the introduction
or in
> > conjunction with the introduction/production of the "square-stream"
trailers
> > in the Airstream line.
> >
> > Kevin Allen
> > WBCCI/VAC #6359
> > 1964 Airstream Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
> > 1978 Argosy Minuet/1975 Cadillac Eldorado Convertible (Towcar in
Training)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: My Airstream <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 3:06 PM
> > Subject: [VAC] Re: Fuse Block - Dashboard Heater
> >
> > > Off topic. I saw a picture of a 77 Argosy recently and it didn't look
> > like
> > > an RV. Did they make both RV models and travel trailers. Also what
do
> > you
> > > think your 77 Argosy is worth. Sorry to distract.
> > >
> > > Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
> > > 66 Airstream Safari
> > > Mira Mar Mobile Park
> > > Oceanside, CA
> >
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Message Number: 26
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:02:26 -0400
From: "Thomas LaVergne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fantastic Fan Installation Questions
Bob Kiger wrote:
<Fantastic Fans comes with an inside trip piece that works perfectly on the
Airstream. I don't understand
why an Airstream trim piece is necessary? We used Vulcem all the way around
but "it never rains in California" so we may have to wait a long while to
test the installation.>
I also found that the trim piece that came with my Fantastic Fans fit the
A/S very nicely. I used vulkum where ever I could on my instalation. I put
it between the fan and my roof and then caulked around the outside of the
fan...I even caulked over the screw heads. I have been in some downpours
this year as well as rains that went on for days and days with no leaks.
Thomas '78 Ambassador
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