VACList DigestVACList-Digest Friday, September 6, 2002 Issue 417
Today's Topics:
1. Introduction/ Piano Hinge/ & Bunk Request
2. Re: Classic Airstream Club?
3. Re: Classic Airstream Club?
4. Re: Introduction/ Piano Hinge/ & Bunk Request
5. 2001 Ford Excursion XLT tow vehicle - FOR SALE
6. Re: Axles
7. Water heater
8. Re: Classic Airstream Club?
9. Carlson heater
10. Re: Classic Airstream Club?
11. Re: PJM-> Carlson heater
12. Re: Carlson heater
13. Re: Axles
14. Re: Classic Airstream Club?
15. Re: Classic Airstream Club?
16. Re: Classic Airstream Club?
17. Re: Classic Airstream Club?
18. Re: The Plan
19. Re: Axles
20. Re: Carlson heater
21. How do you guys deal with this?
22. Re: The Plan
23. Re: Axles
24. Re: The Plan
25. Re: Introduction/ Piano Hinge/ & Bunk Request
26. Re: The Plan
27. Re: The Plan
28. Re: Classic Airstream Club?
29. The Plan
30. Re: Classic Airstream Club?
31. Re: The Plan
32. Re: Axles
33. Re: Classic Airstream Club?
34. Re: The Plan
35. Re: The Terry Tyler Plan
36. Re: The Plan
37. Plumbing
38. Re: the plan
39. Re: Water heater
40. Re: axles
41. Re: The Plan - issue 415 on 9/04/02 - #1- "I Quit"
42. 52 airstream on the auction block
43. Re: The Plan - issue 415 on 9/04/02 - #1- "I Quit"
44. Re: Classic Airstream Club?
45. how about an argosy for sale
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Message Number: 1
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 00:08:51 +0000
From: "Eric Leigh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Introduction/ Piano Hinge/ & Bunk Request
Hello fellow vintage A/S enthusiasts. My wife and I have started working on
a 1964 Tradewind 24' double bed and have found the information on this site
extremely helpful. We have set a goal to get this rig on the road for the
International in Burlington, VT next year and we hope to park with and meet
you folks there.
The rock shield for the front window is in need of a new aluminum piano
style hinge. When open it measures 2" wide by 46" long. I have tried to
find one of these at several storm window/door businesses with no luck.
Does anyone have any of this material for sale or know where I could order
some? The hinge on there is so bent that it is beyond repair.
Secondly, I am looking for one or two canvas/alumin. frame suspended bunks.
I have seen a style that mounted on the ceiling with a round metal plate.
In that plate was a keyhole for a stranded metal wire that suspended the
bunk. On the wall are two J shaped cast aluminum hooks that hold the wall
side of the bunk. My father in law said I could borrow one from his A/S
but to do so I would have to take the hardware off his trailer and my kids
(his grandkids) couldn't go on vacation with them. Does anyone have these
or are they still made? As you can see it would solve our sleeping dilema
for my son and daughter?
Thanks for your help. This is a great group: I awake with my morning
coffee to you'all!
Eric Leigh (and Camela, my wife)
1964 24' Tradewind double
Rockport, MA
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Message Number: 2
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 20:09:17 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Classic Airstream Club?
At 06:46 PM 9/5/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>It is the Classic Caravan Club
>
>http://geocities.com/classiccaravanclub/
>
>that operated as a separate club up to now. They will vote on the proposal at
>their November meeting. They are good folks having fun with their
>Airstreams and
>wanted to be part of the WBCCI and enjoy the benefits of this family of clubs.
I dont have a problem with them, or anyone else joining.
My question is how will their Interclub be different from the VAC?
Sounds like we will have two groups with basically the same purpose.
Dave
Dave & Ann Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 3
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:12:33 -0400
From: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Classic Airstream Club?
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They already *are* part of the WBCCI as they have to be members there =
first.
This is not some outside club coming *into* WBCCI, rather it is some =
WBCCI owners who want to belong to their own club in a club if you will.
The classic part of their name suggests to me that their trailers will =
be of the silver bullet design only. Anyone who would qualify for the =
VAC with a "classic" bullet design would certainly qualify for the =
Classic club.
Tom
WBCCI 5303
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Herb Spies=20
To: Multiple recipients of VACList=20
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 7:46 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Classic Airstream Club?
It is the Classic Caravan Club
http://geocities.com/classiccaravanclub/
that operated as a separate club up to now. They will vote on the =
proposal at
their November meeting. They are good folks having fun with their =
Airstreams and
wanted to be part of the WBCCI and enjoy the benefits of this family =
of clubs.
James Greene wrote:
> Anything to boost the membership numbers in WBCCI apparently. =
Another way
> would be to make the Good Sam Club an intra club and call them WBCCI
> members. No doubt others could think of even bigger membership =
gains.
>
> Jim Greene
> ' 68 Tradewind
> VAC
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 16:55
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Classic Airstream Club?
>
> > Maybe they meant the "Classic Caravan Club":
> > http://www.geocities.com/ClassicCaravanClub/
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > At 03:09 PM 9/5/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Some more info....
> > >
> > >Since I live in Ohio, I guess I have the honor of being one of =
the first
> > >to receive the latest issues of the Blue Beret. Such an honor... =
* grins
> *
> > >
> > >Anyways, in the latest issue (September 2002), in the "Executive
> Committee
> > >and International Board of Trustees Meeting" minutes, it says (on =
page
> 7):
> > >"Motion 2 - Upon unincorporation, the Classic Airstream Club will =
join
> > >WBCCI as an Intraclub with all the rights and privileges as such. =
All the
> > >members of the Intraclub will be members of WBCCI"
> > >
> > >Dave
>
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the<BR>>=20
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Message Number: 4
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:11:59 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Introduction/ Piano Hinge/ & Bunk Request
Eric. We have the mounting hardware for the bunks.
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 5
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:15:55 -0400
From: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 2001 Ford Excursion XLT tow vehicle - FOR SALE
Current tow vehicle is a 2001 Ford Excursion XLT, 7.3-Liter Powerstroke
Diesel, 4x4, limited-slip axle, with many other goodies from Ford. Color is
Dark Wedgwood Blue with Parchment cloth interior. Mileage is 30k with full
coverage up to 37,200 bumper to bumper and the Powerstroke Diesel is
warranted for 102,200k miles full coverage.
I am in the process of negotiating for a 2002 Ford Excursion Limited with
all the same features listed above plus a couple of others that comes with
the Limited package.
So, I will am offering to anyone my "current tow vehicle" listed above at
very reasonable cost. I thought I'd give our list members first crack at
purchasing this great SUV from Ford before the dealer gets his hands on it
and ups the price. Also, there will be 'new' OEM tires on this vehicle
which most likely will be Firestone Steeltex ATX 16" Load Range D that I
plan to move over from the new vehicle.
We live NE of Charlotte, North Carolina and the vehicle is here also.
Please contact me off list at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for information on
taking over Zero 0% interest payments from Ford Credit. There are 4 more
years remaining on the current contract.
Tom Meeker
WBCCI 5303
mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message Number: 6
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:17:37 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Axles
Ken. Check the axles out. To learn how, go to our web site, inlandrv.com
Click on articles and the click on "Dura-Torque Axles."
You will quickly have the answers on your axles.
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 7
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 20:14:19 -0500
From: Dick and Kris Parins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Water heater
Water water everywhere.
After fixing and or replacing a lot of the plumbing in the Bambi I
pressurized the system only to see water seeping out from under the Bowen
water heater. So what does the group recommend for a replacement? I would
like to continue to use the Bowen cover consistent with RJ's recomendation.
Does this suggest a particular brand or unit? I think the Bowen is (was) a
9 gallon so I'm sure I won't go over 10. Much as I would love an on demand
type I think the price and size are going to make it impractical for a 16
foot unit with only a blue bomber for grey water. So is there any magic
answer or do I just measure the hole and get the best fit?
Dick
'62 Bambi
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Message Number: 8
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:34:36 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Classic Airstream Club?
Dave Lowrey said:
"My question is how will their Interclub be different from the VAC?"
Simple.....that club is a Caravan Club. Anyone who owns an Airstream can
join. Not restricted to Vintage.
Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
Mesa, AZ
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message Number: 9
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 20:20:45 -0500
From: Dick and Kris Parins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Carlson heater
I decided to fire up the heater to help dry out the back of the trailer.
This unit is a "Carlson Vented Recessed Heater". I know I have seen
pictures of this heater in other Airstreams. It is now about the same temp
in there as the inside of my Weber grill on burger night. The heater
appears to be sound and lit as expected but the control knob is broken so I
can't tell what it used to say other than "pilot" and "off". Can someone
tell me if there is supposed to be any kind of thermostatic control on this
thing. The instruction plate seems to say you must turn it on and off
manually. If that's the case its not exactly user friendly. Is this
original equipment in 1962? Can a thermostat be added if it wasn't
originally supplied? Any help is always appreciated. Thanks.
Dick
'62 Bambi
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Message Number: 10
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:51:32 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Classic Airstream Club?
Actually they are not currently part of the WBCCI. That is why they
applied, to become part of the larger Airstream owners group. WBCCI
membership is not required to be a member of the current Classic Caravan
Club
The difference between them and the VAC is their membership
qualification is that one own a "classic" style trailer or motorhome. No
Argosy's or Squarestream's or flat side motorhomes. Year of manufacturer
is not a factor.
As for them if/when they become an Intraclub they will the same
privileges and limitations as VAC members do now.
Charlie
Tom wrote:
> They already *are* part of the WBCCI as they have to be members there
> first. This is not some outside club coming *into* WBCCI, rather it is
> some WBCCI owners who want to belong to their own club in a club if
> you will. The classic part of their name suggests to me that their
> trailers will be of the silver bullet design only. Anyone who would
> qualify for the VAC with a "classic" bullet design would certainly
> qualify for the Classic club. TomWBCCI 5303
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Herb Spies
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 7:46 PM
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Classic Airstream Club?
> It is the Classic Caravan Club
>
> http://geocities.com/classiccaravanclub/
>
> that operated as a separate club up to now. They will vote
> on the proposal at
> their November meeting. They are good folks having fun with
> their Airstreams and
> wanted to be part of the WBCCI and enjoy the benefits of
> this family of clubs.
>
>
>
> James Greene wrote:
>
> > Anything to boost the membership numbers in WBCCI
> apparently. Another way
> > would be to make the Good Sam Club an intra club and call
> them WBCCI
> > members. No doubt others could think of even bigger
> membership gains.
> >
> > Jim Greene
> > ' 68 Tradewind
> > VAC
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dave Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Multiple recipients of VACList"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 16:55
> > Subject: [VAC] Re: Classic Airstream Club?
> >
> > > Maybe they meant the "Classic Caravan Club":
> > > http://www.geocities.com/ClassicCaravanClub/
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > At 03:09 PM 9/5/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > > >Some more info....
> > > >
> > > >Since I live in Ohio, I guess I have the honor of being
> one of the first
> > > >to receive the latest issues of the Blue Beret. Such an
> honor... * grins
> > *
> > > >
> > > >Anyways, in the latest issue (September 2002), in the
> "Executive
> > Committee
> > > >and International Board of Trustees Meeting" minutes,
> it says (on page
> > 7):
> > > >"Motion 2 - Upon unincorporation, the Classic Airstream
> Club will join
> > > >WBCCI as an Intraclub with all the rights and
> privileges as such. All the
> > > >members of the Intraclub will be members of WBCCI"
> > > >
> > > >Dave
> >
> > To unsubscribe or change to a daily Digest format, please
> go to
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Message Number: 11
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:21:08 -0400
From: Chris Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PJM-> Carlson heater
Hi Dick ,
Its either go or no with the Carlson heater . There is no thermostat , I
just open a window or turn it to pilot to cool off . I dont know if you could
rig a thermostat control to it , but the beauty of it to me is that its so
simple ( no electronic control circuit board ) and doesnt run down battery when
boondocking . Let me know if you ever hear of any for sale or parts , I love
em . You`ll be wanting all that heat soon , getting chilly here .
Chris
Dick and Kris Parins wrote:
> I decided to fire up the heater to help dry out the back of the trailer.
> This unit is a "Carlson Vented Recessed Heater".
> Can someone
> tell me if there is supposed to be any kind of thermostatic control on this
> thing. The instruction plate seems to say you must turn it on and off
> manually. If that's the case its not exactly user friendly. Is this
> original equipment in 1962? Can a thermostat be added if it wasn't
> originally supplied? Any help is always appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Dick
> '62 Bambi
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Message Number: 12
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 21:24:12 -0500
From: Herb Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Carlson heater
The Carlson heater in my 63 is either on at full blast or on pilot. You have to
act as the thermostat.
Dick and Kris Parins wrote:
> I decided to fire up the heater to help dry out the back of the trailer.
> This unit is a "Carlson Vented Recessed Heater". I know I have seen
> pictures of this heater in other Airstreams. It is now about the same temp
> in there as the inside of my Weber grill on burger night. The heater
> appears to be sound and lit as expected but the control knob is broken so I
> can't tell what it used to say other than "pilot" and "off". Can someone
> tell me if there is supposed to be any kind of thermostatic control on this
> thing. The instruction plate seems to say you must turn it on and off
> manually. If that's the case its not exactly user friendly. Is this
> original equipment in 1962? Can a thermostat be added if it wasn't
> originally supplied? Any help is always appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Dick
> '62 Bambi
>
> To unsubscribe or change to a daily Digest format, please go to
> http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html
>
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>
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Message Number: 13
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:17:34 -0700
From: "Tim Shephard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Axles
Andy,
Are those diagrams looking at the side view after the tire is removed?
-Tim
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
eFax (508) 590-0302
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:17 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Axles
> Ken. Check the axles out. To learn how, go to our web site, inlandrv.com
> Click on articles and the click on "Dura-Torque Axles."
> You will quickly have the answers on your axles.
>
> Andy
> inlandrv.com
> airstreamparts.com
>
>
>
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Message Number: 14
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:24:24 -0400
From: "Richard P. Kenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Classic Airstream Club?
At 01:38 PM 9/5/02 -0600, you wrote:
> I don't suppose anyone defined a "Classic Airstream" or
>described how one differs from a Vintage Airstream, did
>they? Could they be Airstream-built trailers less than 25
>years old?
Fred...They've had petitions and membership pushes at many of the larger
WBCCI rallies. They say they are open to membership by anyone having a
"classic," aluminum AS, i.e., the baked potato look. That excludes the
squarestreams and, I guess, the B-vans. I saw no mention of any age
requirement in their literature. I really don't see the need, given the
VAC, but the EB must feel differently, after years of refusing membership
to them.
- Dick
(5368)
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Message Number: 15
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:27:25 -0400
From: "Richard P. Kenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Classic Airstream Club?
At 05:57 PM 9/5/02 -0400, you wrote:
>Anything to boost the membership numbers in WBCCI apparently. Another way
>would be to make the Good Sam Club an intra club and call them WBCCI
>members. No doubt others could think of even bigger membership gains.
They're already members of WBCCI. This won't boost membership,
IMHO. Making the GS club an intra club is a funny idea...probably go the
other way.
- Dick
(5368)
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Message Number: 16
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:30:50 -0400
From: "Richard P. Kenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Classic Airstream Club?
At 06:34 PM 9/5/02 -0700, you wrote:
>Simple.....that club is a Caravan Club.
So is WBCCI.
> Anyone who owns an Airstream can join. Not restricted to Vintage.
I think it's restricted to the baked potatoes (silver bullets, or whatever).
- Dick
(5368)
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Message Number: 17
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 00:03:58 -0400
From: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Classic Airstream Club?
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Thanks for your info, Charlie.
Tom
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Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:51 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Classic Airstream Club?
Actually they are not currently part of the WBCCI. That is why they
applied, to become part of the larger Airstream owners group. WBCCI
membership is not required to be a member of the current Classic =
Caravan
Club
The difference between them and the VAC is their membership
qualification is that one own a "classic" style trailer or motorhome. =
No
Argosy's or Squarestream's or flat side motorhomes. Year of =
manufacturer
is not a factor.
As for them if/when they become an Intraclub they will the same
privileges and limitations as VAC members do now.
Charlie
Tom wrote:
> They already *are* part of the WBCCI as they have to be members =
there
> first. This is not some outside club coming *into* WBCCI, rather it =
is
> some WBCCI owners who want to belong to their own club in a club if
> you will. The classic part of their name suggests to me that their
> trailers will be of the silver bullet design only. Anyone who would
> qualify for the VAC with a "classic" bullet design would certainly
> qualify for the Classic club. TomWBCCI 5303
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Message Number: 18
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 00:39:31 -0400
From: "Thomas LaVergne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Plan
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From: "Tim Shephard" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
How do you guys deal this this? Just keep up repairs and be dammed the
costs?
Tim
Tim,
I spent $5000 for my 1978 28' Ambassador in February, took it to Jackson
Center and said fix it. That cost another $4000 (tires, frig, spare tire
carrier, water pump, shocks, complete new weather striping, you get the
picture). There should not be any reason for anything major to go wrong now
as long as I take care of it, winterize it properly, and do preventative
maintenance. To me that was worth it. I should not have to ever buy
another trailer if I take care of what I've got. If I bought a brand new
SOB trailer it will be shot in 15 years but this 25 year old A/S will still
be rolling in15 years if I take care of it. In the long run it is worth it.
In the short run probably not. You need to figure out what your long term
plans are with this trailer. If it is short term I would think seriously
about selling and getting something already finished. Good luck with your
decision, I know that it is not an easy one.
Thomas #8848
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Message Number: 19
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 00:13:29 -0700
From: James Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Axles
Tim
The angle that means the most is what it looks like when it's fully loaded
and ready to go on the road... That is how you trailer it and that is how
much flex you have before you are hitting the stops and the trailer is
getting hammered... How it hangs when the tire is off is not as important
if at all....If you trailer it empty to a park, and stay for the season,
you could check it empty.. If it looks marginal or in the "green" you can
postpone the axle change-out... As to the pre 74 info, our Safari was a 78
and definitely needed the work...It could have had a lot of miles on it..
the old number on the trailer was only 3 digit...
Jim
At 08:17 PM 9/5/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Andy,
>
>Are those diagrams looking at the side view after the tire is removed?
>
>-Tim
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Message Number: 20
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 00:20:56 -0700
From: James Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Carlson heater
In our first Airstream trailer we had a wall heater that seemed to be
either on or off... We used it one time and woke up thinking the thing was
trying to kill us... hot, hot, and seemed like the oxygen was gone from the
trailer... We relied on the heat strip in the Air conditioner until I
could replace the unit with something we could trust..
Jim
At 08:20 PM 9/5/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>I decided to fire up the heater to help dry out the back of the trailer.
>This unit is a "Carlson Vented Recessed Heater". I know I have seen
>pictures of this heater in other Airstreams. It is now about the same temp
>in there as the inside of my Weber grill on burger night. The heater
>appears to be sound and lit as expected but the control knob is broken so I
>can't tell what it used to say other than "pilot" and "off". Can someone
>tell me if there is supposed to be any kind of thermostatic control on this
>thing. The instruction plate seems to say you must turn it on and off
>manually. If that's the case its not exactly user friendly. Is this
>original equipment in 1962? Can a thermostat be added if it wasn't
>originally supplied? Any help is always appreciated. Thanks.
>
>Dick
>'62 Bambi
>
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Message Number: 21
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 01:22:07 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How do you guys deal with this?
Tim Shepard wrote:
>
> "How do you guys deal with this? Just keep up repairs and be dammed the
costs?"
Tim, you've got that right. BUT - for perspective >>>
Among the 24 neighbors on our street, several have "summer cottages" they
open them on Memorial Day and close on Labor Day. That's three months a
year.
How often do we use our Airstreams? Even when I was chasing the almighty
dollar, we used our Airstreams as soon as freezing weather was unlikely and
didn't put it away until freezing weather began with a vengence. April to
November is seven months.
When neighbors see me poking around one of our rigs, it's not uncommon for
them to stop in the street or to pull into my driveway and ask about our
latest trip. When I tell them only a fraction of what we've been doing
during the last 3-4 months, their eyes widen and their smiles broaden, then
they want to hear the details and have me answer their questions about how
we deal with the usual mops and brooms problems.
On many occasions, they ask if there is anywhere we haven't been yet. When I
tell them there are thousands of places still to be explored and then start
listing them, their eyes glaze over.
Today, my dentist asked me where were we going on our next adventure. He was
a bit taken back when I replied, "Every month is an adventure and coming to
you is part of how we are able to continue the adventure."
He then asked the most frequent question, "If you had one place to pick as
the ideal, where would it be?" I went into my usual reply about 52 weeks in
the year and asked which week did he wanted me to pick? Which part of the
country? How much money did he want to spend. He got the idea.
A little later after his hygienist had finished cleaning my teeth, he came
back and asked, "Don't you get tired of traveling?" My reply was a question.
"How tired do you get when you're doing something you enjoy, something
that's exciting, adventuresome and your wife is gleefully enthusiastic about
doing it?"
What's my point in all this? You asked, "How do you guys deal with this? Do
you just keep up repairs and be dammed the costs?"
Tim, the bottom line answer is yes. The reason is the costs are
insignificant compared to the satisfactions and enjoyment experienced.
Looking at it another way. Our per night cost for a campsite in a campground
($5-$7) is no more than the cost of a meal for the two of us at McDonald's.
Here's another example; the cost to keep our tow vehicles and trailers ready
to roll is profoundly less than my neighbors pay for a new car every couple
of years - and that doesn't even count the yearly cost of their summer
cottage.
Yet, my neighbors are the ones wishing for freedom to explore the
magnificent sights available in this country. They are the ones wishing they
could take more risks, i.e. not knowing where they'd sleep tonight, not
knowing how they'd get repairs done if something went wrong with their car,
or heaven forbid, what would they do if they or someone in their family got
sick. These are real questions, but there are simple answers if they really
wanted to take a few risks.
You've been on this list awhile. You know these risks are readily solved
with a little forethought. But, more than that, you know many members are
willing - no, the word is enthusiastic. Many members are energetically
enthusiastic about figuring out how to handle the unexpected and how to
handle it wisely and prudently. The question is, what does that cost?
That doesn't cost anything. It seems to me most Vintage owners have plenty
of ability to think and are very resourceful; otherwise they wouldn't have
an Airstream. Their out of pocket cost of restoring can be high or low. It
all depends on how each of us want to play it (new parts or used parts,
learn and do it yourself or hire someone, etc).
The cost is no where near what it would be if we didn't follow our hopes and
dreams for a lifestyle that suits us in hundreds of ways we haven't begun to
count.
If you were to ask me your question, I'd say, "Yes, just keep up repairs, do
it as wisely as you can and be dammed the costs. You and yours have lives to
live and not much time - so, make sure each day is filled with whatever
enables you to work toward your goals."
And that's how it can be for anyone who chooses to do it (says me).
Terry
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Message Number: 22
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:17:22 -0700
From: "Tim Shephard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Plan
*The Plan* was never to make a profit. Only to perhaps recoupe the
investment if we did not like the trailer lifestyle.
That is yet to be determined.
I just have to keep on past my failsafe budget if I am going to make the
trailer reliable.
In a year or two I would like to take it across country and back. And it
needs to be in good shape for that.
Is it advisable to take a 30+ year old trailer on a 7000 mile trip?
-Tim
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
eFax (508) 590-0302
> In the long run it is worth it.
> In the short run probably not. You need to figure out what your long term
> plans are with this trailer. If it is short term I would think seriously
> about selling and getting something already finished. Good luck with your
> decision, I know that it is not an easy one.
> Thomas #8848
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Message Number: 23
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:37:09 -0700
From: "Tim Shephard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Axles
Thanks Jim.
I understand the the loaded axle check it what matters.
I am just trying to figure out how to look at the axle to check it based on
the pictures on the inland website.
-Tim
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 12:13 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Axles
> Tim
> The angle that means the most is what it looks like when it's fully loaded
> and ready to go on the road... That is how you trailer it and that is how
> much flex you have before you are hitting the stops and the trailer is
> getting hammered... How it hangs when the tire is off is not as important
> if at all....If you trailer it empty to a park, and stay for the season,
> you could check it empty.. If it looks marginal or in the "green" you can
> postpone the axle change-out... As to the pre 74 info, our Safari was a
78
> and definitely needed the work...It could have had a lot of miles on it..
> the old number on the trailer was only 3 digit...
>
> Jim
>
>
> At 08:17 PM 9/5/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> >Andy,
> >
> >Are those diagrams looking at the side view after the tire is removed?
> >
> >-Tim
>
>
>
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Message Number: 24
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 01:36:55 EDT
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Subject: Re: The Plan
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I towes my 37 year ol,.d trsailer 6500 miles this summer,. If you have good
tires properaly lube the wheel bearings service the breaks and pay attention
there is no reson why you should not take tour olr airstream on a trip what
is the purpose of all the work we do on our old airstreams if we dont use
them?????????
Jim Smith
1965 Eradewind(The Silver Abaltross)
1992 Dodge Cummins Diesel
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Message Number: 25
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 02:41:33 -0400
From: William Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Introduction/ Piano Hinge/ & Bunk Request
Eric,
Look here for the hinges
http://www.mscdirect.com/PDF.process?pdf=2113&Keyword=Y
http://www.mscdirect.com/MSCCatLookup2.process?MSCProdID=56568298
bill
25 ft Trade Wind in WV
Eric Leigh wrote:
>
> Hello fellow vintage A/S enthusiasts. My wife and I have started working on
> a 1964 Tradewind 24' double bed and have found the information on this site
> extremely helpful. We have set a goal to get this rig on the road for the
> International in Burlington, VT next year and we hope to park with and meet
> you folks there.
>
> The rock shield for the front window is in need of a new aluminum piano
> style hinge. When open it measures 2" wide by 46" long. I have tried to
> find one of these at several storm window/door businesses with no luck.
> Does anyone have any of this material for sale or know where I could order
> some? The hinge on there is so bent that it is beyond repair.
>
> Secondly, I am looking for one or two canvas/alumin. frame suspended bunks.
> I have seen a style that mounted on the ceiling with a round metal plate.
> In that plate was a keyhole for a stranded metal wire that suspended the
> bunk. On the wall are two J shaped cast aluminum hooks that hold the wall
> side of the bunk. My father in law said I could borrow one from his A/S
> but to do so I would have to take the hardware off his trailer and my kids
> (his grandkids) couldn't go on vacation with them. Does anyone have these
> or are they still made? As you can see it would solve our sleeping dilema
> for my son and daughter?
>
> Thanks for your help. This is a great group: I awake with my morning
> coffee to you'all!
>
> Eric Leigh (and Camela, my wife)
> 1964 24' Tradewind double
> Rockport, MA
>
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Message Number: 26
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 05:38:33 -0500
From: "Tom Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Plan
I just returned from a 7,500 trip with my '65 Streamline. The refrigerator
did go out along the way, but I survived, and will be ready to hit the road
again soon with a replacement refrigerator. This is the second long trip
this year. Earlier, in March, I put on 4,000 miles. +30 years just is not
a problem with a well maintained unit.
-Tom
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anti-virus at time of transmittal.
>
> In a year or two I would like to take it across country and back. And it
> needs to be in good shape for that.
>
> Is it advisable to take a 30+ year old trailer on a 7000 mile trip?
>
> -Tim
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Message Number: 27
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:21:17 -0400
From: "Thomas LaVergne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Plan
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Is it advisable to take a 30+ year old trailer on a 7000 mile trip?
Absolutely!!!! Why not? As long as you are up on your maintenance you
should have no problem. We took ours about 3000 miles or so this summer
with no trouble. I also have a 1967 VW camper that I would drive across the
country today with no trouble. The secret? Preventive maintenance...once
things are fixed you just need to keep up with the little things that go
wrong. To me that is the fun part AND I know my trailer inside out. If
something goes wrong I can pretty much pinpoint it quickly because through
preventitive maintenance I KNOW that trailer. They really are pretty simple
things that are just a serious of systems...pretty simple systems at that.
That being said when my univolt went out this past spring I did not try and
fix it, I replaced it. Costs more yes BUT I don't have to worry about that
system anymore (knock on wood).
Thomas '78 Ambassador (who if you lived near by in Ohio would love to help
you work on yours!)
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Message Number: 28
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:29:47 -0400
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Classic Airstream Club?
Herb, is somebody keeping them from joining WBCCI? So why don't they join
like we did?
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Herb Spies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 19:46
Subject: [VAC] Re: Classic Airstream Club?
> It is the Classic Caravan Club
>
> http://geocities.com/classiccaravanclub/
>
> that operated as a separate club up to now. They will vote on the proposal
at
> their November meeting. They are good folks having fun with their
Airstreams and
> wanted to be part of the WBCCI and enjoy the benefits of this family of
clubs.
>
>
>
> James Greene wrote:
>
> > Anything to boost the membership numbers in WBCCI apparently. Another
way
> > would be to make the Good Sam Club an intra club and call them WBCCI
> > members. No doubt others could think of even bigger membership gains.
> >
> > Jim Greene
> > ' 68 Tradewind
> > VAC
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dave Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 16:55
> > Subject: [VAC] Re: Classic Airstream Club?
> >
> > > Maybe they meant the "Classic Caravan Club":
> > > http://www.geocities.com/ClassicCaravanClub/
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > At 03:09 PM 9/5/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > > >Some more info....
> > > >
> > > >Since I live in Ohio, I guess I have the honor of being one of the
first
> > > >to receive the latest issues of the Blue Beret. Such an honor... *
grins
> > *
> > > >
> > > >Anyways, in the latest issue (September 2002), in the "Executive
> > Committee
> > > >and International Board of Trustees Meeting" minutes, it says (on
page
> > 7):
> > > >"Motion 2 - Upon unincorporation, the Classic Airstream Club will
join
> > > >WBCCI as an Intraclub with all the rights and privileges as such. All
the
> > > >members of the Intraclub will be members of WBCCI"
> > > >
> > > >Dave
> >
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Message Number: 29
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:08:46 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: The Plan
on 09/06/02 1:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Is it advisable to take a 30+ year old trailer on a 7000 mile trip?
We've been traveling throughout the continent for the last 15 years with a
either our '78 Ford Van & '77 31' Airstream or our '75 Mercury Station Wagon
& '67 22' Airstream (and sometimes with our marginal 6.2L diesel Suburban).
That doesn't mean this qualifies as "advisable," but it does mean it's
doable enough to be enthusiastic about continuing - year after year.
Although Sandie and I travel more than 7,000 miles a year, the mileage isn't
the key factor. It helps to know where responsive and competent service
facilities are located. It helps to have spare parts in the tow vehicle for
times when something goes wrong and we're out in the boonies by ourselves.
It helps to learn from past mistakes and not repeat them more than once
(grin). It helps to expect the unexpected and not be bent out of shape when
we have to call one of our lifeguards (and we do).
You asked if it's advisable. Prudence might be cautious in his reply, but I
say, "Why not?" Like you, I know what I'm towing; I have a good idea of
which problems are getting close to rearing their ugly heads; I believe I
know what to do when they appear; I know what my skills are and what they
are not; I know what tools and parts I have in my tow vehicle; and I think I
know how to handle myself when the situation gets really dicey.
If we do happen to get nicked in a severe way, it won't be the first time
and it won't be the last time. You read about the debacle that happened to
Jim Smith in Mexico, yet look at what he does and where he goes and how he's
dealing with the inevitable snags that are still occurring - years later.
The name of the game is to live life fully and joyfully and not be stuck on
"what if" or "what's advisable." Walt Disney said, "If you can dream it,
you can do it." He sounds like an Airstreamer to me.
Terry
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Message Number: 30
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:24:13 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Classic Airstream Club?
Remember just a few months ago when the WBCCI president was considering
changing the 25 year rule as the designation for a Vintage A/S. Apparently
some WBCCI members with older A/S's did not like the fact that more and more
A/S's were becoming Vintage and they wanted a change in the rules to allow
only the older, Classic A/S's in.
That was shot down by an e-mail campaign from this list. Could this be their
answer, to set up a seperate Intra club?
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Message Number: 31
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:22:15 -0500
From: "Kevin D. Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Plan
Greetings Time!
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Shephard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [VAC] Re: The Plan
> Is it advisable to take a 30+ year old trailer on a 7000 mile trip?
>
> -Tim
My answer to your question, assuming that the trailer is maintained in good
operating condition, is a resounding YES! My Overlander has been on
several trips of 7,000 mile duration or longer. I will admit that I have
personal knowledge of over 80% of my trailer's life - - it was special
ordered and purchased new in 1964 by close friends of my family and owned by
them for over 20 years - - it was then purchased by a neighbor who kept it
for 8 years - - it was then sold to someone unknown who kept it on a lake
lot in the Missouri Ozarks - - it was then sold to the couple from whom I
purchased it in 1995 near Mendota, IL. During that time, it was well
maintained and needed very little when it was acquired.
I will also admit to not keeping extremely close track of what I have spent
on the rig. It seems like a part of the family. Our friends invited me to
go on my first camping trip in the trailer when I was just a bit more than 5
years old and the Overlander was brand new - - I must have been immediately
hooked as I began trying to convince my parents that we should have a "shiny
trailer" too. When I finally reached the point where I could afford an RV
there was no question that I wanted an Airstream - - but settled for a Nomad
which began disintegrating before it was three years old. Second time
around, it would be an Airstream or nothing - - and I just lucked out in
finding my '64 as I had totally lost track of it after the second owner sold
it.
I do know that my major expenses have included: replacing the rear floor
<3' section> ($2,000), new electrical service panel and power converter
($1,000), professional polish and palsti-coat ($5,000), professional
interior restoration ($4,000), new 3-way Dometic refrigerator ($1,200), new
air conditioner ($600), new hot water heater ($375), new forced air furnace
($500), new water tank and PAR pump ($400), rebuilt window operators ($400),
new electric hitch jack ($400), new ZIP DEE awnings ($2,400). Once my final
"restoration" project is completed, my rig will suit me better than a new
one that might have cost two or maybe even three times what I have spent on
this coach. My last project is to have a local bathroom refinisher refinish
the bathtub/shower/wash basin unit, and this is scheduled for later this
month. As you can probably tell, I farm out most of my work which is why I
tried to buy a trailer in good original condition - - a lesson learned from
my collector cars. The above expenses were spread out over the past 7
years. I haven't included normal maintenance items like annual repack of
wheel bearings, replacing the shock absorbers, rebuilding the brakes, and
replacing the tires at five year intervals. I also didn't include any
non-restoration expenses which included the addition of three solar panels,
three gel cel batteries, a power inverter, and two Fantastic Vent fans.
If you asked "Would you do it again?" - - my response would be "Certainly!."
The response, however, is temepered by the knowledge that as a teacher I
have the flexibility to travel extensively during the summer months. I
really feel that my Overlander has provided me with an extremely high degree
of satisfaction/enjoyment over the years.
Your question of whether anyone ever had a "trouble-free" trip with a
Vintage Airstream, in my case can be answered yes. I have had several trips
when nothing extraordinary happened. My trip to the 1998 International in
Boise, ID, for example, was totally uneventful so far as the trailer was
concerned - - and I was even able to have my Reese hitch professionally
adjusted which resulted in flawless towing thereafter - - total mileage for
the excursion was nearly 10,000 miles and 7 weeks on the the road. I can't
really say that any of my trips have had any trip spoiling problems with the
coach - - problems yes - - but as time passes you can sit back and chuckle
about the strange happenings. I have had my share of strange happenings - -
only one of which was potentially dangerous - - my spare tire mount
fractured at a welded joint which sent the spare tire bouncing down a
highway in North Dakota in 2000 - - fortunately it bounced over the vehicle
that was tailgating my trailer and bounced off of the road before it could
hit Scott and Lise Scheuermann's rig. Other things have bee irritating such
as having the entrance door blow open while traveling after the original
door lock failed - - just after having the rig polished, the fitting on the
water pump that loosens up every spring and nearly floods the trailer before
I remember to retighten it, the contacts in the trailer umbilical cord which
must be cleaned every spring and at least once during the season, the old
A&E awning that nearly blew off of the trailer while in tow not once but
three times, the "botched" electrical repair that caused my tow vehicles
engine to surge periodically because the inverter was sending AC current
through the umbilical cord, and the defective switch on the electric jack
that caused it to try to become a "pogo stick" on the way home from the
Rapid City, SD International this year. I may just be a bit over-subject to
Murphy's Law as I couldn't take a trip without having strange things happen
to my car before I purchased the Airstream - - I just look at it as a part
of the traveling experience and the things that make for interesting
memories and future funny stories.
Good luck and don't get discouraged - - Airstreaming is one of the most
enjoyable means of travel that I have eperienced.
Kevin
Kevin D. Allen
WBCCI/VAC #6359
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
1978 Argosy Minuet/1975 Cadillac Eldorado Convertible (Towcar in Training)
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Message Number: 32
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:07:41 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Axles
Tim.
It is not necessary to remove a wheel to inspect the condition of a
Dura-Torque axle.
The drawing we list is a side view.
You can see the position of the "torsion arms" by getting under the trailer
just enough to see the back side of the tire. When you do that, you can
clearly see the "torsion arms" and their position.
Check each side of each axle as a tandem axle has true 4 wheel independent
suspension.
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 33
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:19:40 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Classic Airstream Club?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Hardman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 7:24 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Classic Airstream Club?
> Remember just a few months ago when the WBCCI president was considering
> changing the 25 year rule as the designation for a Vintage A/S. Apparently
> some WBCCI members with older A/S's did not like the fact that more and
more
> A/S's were becoming Vintage and they wanted a change in the rules to allow
> only the older, Classic A/S's in.
>
> That was shot down by an e-mail campaign from this list. Could this be
their
> answer, to set up a seperate Intra club?
>
>
That was not the WBCCI, but the VAC that was considering the change. The
WBCCI could care less about what is or is not "Vintage".
Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
Mesa, AZ
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Message Number: 34
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:21:35 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Plan
Tim,
Keep in mind that most of the repairs/replacements will only have to be done
once, and then are good for another 30+ years or so.
Don't worry too much....the costs will decrease as you go on.
Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
Mesa, AZ
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Message Number: 35
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:09:33 -0400
From: "Terry Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Terry Tyler Plan
Terry,
I have been reading your words of wisdom for some time and have asked you
questions off list. I never miss a "tylerbears" post and greatly appreciate
your input to all of us.
I pasted below one sentence from your last reply as to spare parts.
Some day when you have a chance I would appreciate your sitting down and
making a list of what you carry as to parts and tools when you hit the road.
Terry Jones
Romney, WV
8555
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Tyler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 10:08
It helps to have spare parts in the tow vehicle for
times when something goes wrong and we're out in the boonies by ourselves.
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Message Number: 36
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:05:02 -0700
From: "Tim Shephard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Plan
I have really been enjoying this discussion.
I want to thank everyone for their input.
-Tim
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Hightower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 8:21 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: The Plan
> Tim,
>
> Keep in mind that most of the repairs/replacements will only have to be
done
> once, and then are good for another 30+ years or so.
>
> Don't worry too much....the costs will decrease as you go on.
>
> Roger Hightower
> WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
> 1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
> Mesa, AZ
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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Message Number: 37
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:10:19 -0700
From: "Tim Shephard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Plumbing
I have been looking into the replumbing idea. I have found a hardware store
that carries PEX and the Flair-It fittings.
However, when I asked the old plumbing guru, he suggested using CPVC instead
of the PEX. The CPVC uses fittings and glue similar to regular pvc execpt
that it is made to handle the hot and cold water.
Any thoughts on CPVC? Looks to be much less expensvie than the PEX with its
fittings.
The only thing I can think of is the freeze factor, I don't know how CPVC
handles it, but it wouldn't be much different than having the copper pipes
if you winterize as needed.
-Tim
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Message Number: 38
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:15:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: jon fitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the plan
While it's true that a new or completely restored unit
is probably less than the cost of restoration, how
many of us have the money up front to make such a
purchase? We're on the "pay as you go" plan.
We have been fortunate that we haven't had many major
mechanical problems and that we began this process as
tent campers. We don't have a furnace, hot water or a
bathroom (yet). But, compared to packing up a wet
tent and putting our kitchen back in our van every
night, this is upscale!
What keeps us (particularly me--the handy man of the
family) going is that we are using the unit. It is
already a fun part of our family. If you can camp in
it now, I would urge you to take time out to do
so--even if it lacks many of the amenities. I had to
remind myself that I bought the AS to increase
enjoyable family time. If I'm not careful, I can get
caught up in doing nothing but restoration work. Make
yourself take time out to enjoy it. We go once a
month, whether we need it or not ;) (of course we
always need it.)
We also benefited from putting some thought and
planning into our camping "process." Some might not
like this approach, but it saved us TONS of time
preparing for trips and cleaning up afterwards. For
example, we made up a list of groceries, meals and
other consumables (e.g. diapers and wipes) for four
days. We always buy the same stuff, with the
exception of tweaking the list. We even put the list
in order so that it matches the organization of the
local grocery store. Predictable? Yes, but if I want
gourmet adventure cooking, I can stay at home. On our
last trip, my wife was able to get all the packing
done in about 4 hours. This kind of thing is
extremely helpful if you have little kids.
Personally, I try not to think too much about what
lies ahead. The list of things to do seems
insurmountable. But, because we are already using it,
my wife is quick to remind me: it doesn't matter WHEN
you get those things done, because we are already
enjoying our Airstream.
Jon in SC
68 Overlander
29 days and 23 nights since "commissioning" in April
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Message Number: 39
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:31:12 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Water heater
Dick & Kris,
As you may have heard I just pulled out my 6 gallon Bowen and replaced
it with a Precision Temp RV-500 which fit easily in the space formerly
occupied by the Bowen tank. The flush mount system required only a small
cut in the outside hull to fit nicely in the spot previously occupied by the
Bowen access cover. I also had to add a 3" aluminum strip to fill space,
since the RV-500 is not as wide as the Bowen.
I now can take showers for as long as I wish and have gas and get a
consistent temperature throughout. After two weeks of daily showers
averaging about 10 minutes and cooking a few meals I used less than three
gallons of LP gas. I attribute this economy to an electric pilot which uses
no gas and no tank to keep hot. Also no tank to build up calcium deposits
and reduced weight for the coach. The RV-500 was a breeze to install. I
love this on demand water heater and recommend it highly.
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
From: "Dick and Kris Parins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [VAC] Water heater
> Water water everywhere.
>
> After fixing and or replacing a lot of the plumbing in the Bambi I
> pressurized the system only to see water seeping out from under the Bowen
> water heater. So what does the group recommend for a replacement?
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Message Number: 40
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:23:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: jon fitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: axles
Does anyone have a fairly new unit or a Vintage unit
with new axles? If so, I would like to know what the
angle of the axles is on these units. We all worry a
lot about "settling" of the old axles. But, does
anyone really know what a new axle looks like? If new
ones sit barely below vertical, then I'm not too
concerned about mine sitting a few degrees lower.
But, on the other hand, if they sit a lot higher,
there can be no doubt that they have lost a lot of
travel.
BTW--I was the guy who called AS about this and was
told that 5 degrees past horizontal is the limit. I
don't claim to be right, but this is what I was told.
Any data appreciated.
Jon in SC
68 Overlander
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Message Number: 41
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:56:22 -0700
From: "Richard McFarland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Plan - issue 415 on 9/04/02 - #1- "I Quit"
Tim - Regarding "The Plan". I think you've sort of reached the twilight
zone of old trailer ownership! If you have not been turned away by
"the force" yet....then you're in line to discover the heart and soul of why
most of us do what we do!
It's simply because we like them...and we've finally realized that we can't
make them something they aren't...in effect...we've come to accept them
on their terms!
It's not that we all approach our trailers with the same perspective. It's
not that we all like them for the same reason. Very simply - we all connect
with them in our own way.
One person mentioned that they sometimes just go out and sit in their
trailer...they don't even have to go anyplace! It's just a pleasant zone -
sort of like taking one step sideways....and taking a break from the outside
world.
*I fall into this catagory...for the moment. My career has kept me from
having the time (at the right time of the year) to enjoy working on and
using my trailers...so I've just had to let them sit in the shop in
storage....and that's been okay (up until now...)...as I've always enjoyed
going out and looking at them from time to time...
(this is not the best way to own and use them I admit...but I just retired
this past January...and I am now hoping to make up for lost time!)
(I don't even own a real Airstream yet - I'm still shopping. I don't know
why I need five trailers...but somehow it just seems okay)
Now...if there is water running through your trailer...it does take a
slightly deeper breath to find that pleasant zone...
Remember the old saying..."I'm a tree...I can bend"...well now is the time
to recite it!
Have you noticed that most everyone who has been sharing their stories with
you is either grinning or laughing or otherwise enjoying their tale
"now". The point being... you can look forward to sharing "your stories"
at some point "in the future".
Here is how I most enjoy my old trailers....I like to treat them like time
machines...and when I'm around them I try to envision what they might have
been like when they were new...and I also respect them for
being surviviors...and I try to get a feel for what stories they might tell.
Sound spacey?...maybe so...but I hope you get the spirit of what I'm
saying...and realize that if you have not gotten rid of your trailer
yet...it's probably because you basically like the spirit of it...and you
are just now getting used to the reality that it's a mechanical object...it
takes understanding...it takes patience...and it's not doing any of this to
drive you crazy...it's just being itself.
Oh - and one other thing...it's best if you don't try to draw a parallel
between money invested...and ownership enjoyment...that is a
parallel that only exists in another universe (not yet discovered)!
Good Luck. RL
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Message Number: 42
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:30:15 +0000
From: "H. A. K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 52 airstream on the auction block
the following "url" is for a 1952 22' flying cloud
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1857280474
if anybody is interested,,,, I have more pictures...
and if you want to go all out --- why not pull your airstream with a
1956 Buick ---
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1857292304
most humbly yours,,,
hak
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Message Number: 43
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:43:29 -0600
From: "gshippen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Plan - issue 415 on 9/04/02 - #1- "I Quit"
Mr. McFarland, nicely put. I guess I really don't have a plan, a big plan
that is. I just escape out there from time to time to rub on the old girls,
chase out the bugs and put in some Arm and Hammer baking soda to keep the
odors down from age and whatever. I have managed to evict the four legged
mammals, as I found my wife was frightened of them.
But you know its the rivets. There is a certain repetitious symmetry in
looking at those rivets. Imagine what our Airstreams would be without them,
visually that is. And the best thing is they are not square! Nature is
rarely square therefore humans fit more readily into round spaces! I can't
stand to see those square things plowing air as they come down the road
toward me then mess up my air space as they pass!
Cheers,
GAS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard McFarland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 1:56 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: The Plan - issue 415 on 9/04/02 - #1- "I Quit"
> Tim - Regarding "The Plan". I think you've sort of reached the twilight
> zone of old trailer ownership! If you have not been turned away by
> "the force" yet....then you're in line to discover the heart and soul of
why
> most of us do what we do!
>
> It's simply because we like them...and we've finally realized that we
can't
> make them something they aren't...in effect...we've come to accept them
> on their terms!
>
> It's not that we all approach our trailers with the same perspective.
It's
> not that we all like them for the same reason. Very simply - we all
connect
> with them in our own way.
>
> One person mentioned that they sometimes just go out and sit in their
> trailer...they don't even have to go anyplace! It's just a pleasant
zone -
> sort of like taking one step sideways....and taking a break from the
outside
> world.
> *I fall into this catagory...for the moment. My career has kept me from
> having the time (at the right time of the year) to enjoy working on and
> using my trailers...so I've just had to let them sit in the shop in
> storage....and that's been okay (up until now...)...as I've always enjoyed
> going out and looking at them from time to time...
> (this is not the best way to own and use them I admit...but I just retired
> this past January...and I am now hoping to make up for lost time!)
> (I don't even own a real Airstream yet - I'm still shopping. I don't know
> why I need five trailers...but somehow it just seems okay)
>
> Now...if there is water running through your trailer...it does take a
> slightly deeper breath to find that pleasant zone...
>
> Remember the old saying..."I'm a tree...I can bend"...well now is the time
> to recite it!
>
> Have you noticed that most everyone who has been sharing their stories
with
> you is either grinning or laughing or otherwise enjoying their tale
> "now". The point being... you can look forward to sharing "your stories"
> at some point "in the future".
>
> Here is how I most enjoy my old trailers....I like to treat them like time
> machines...and when I'm around them I try to envision what they might have
> been like when they were new...and I also respect them for
> being surviviors...and I try to get a feel for what stories they might
tell.
>
> Sound spacey?...maybe so...but I hope you get the spirit of what I'm
> saying...and realize that if you have not gotten rid of your trailer
> yet...it's probably because you basically like the spirit of it...and you
> are just now getting used to the reality that it's a mechanical
object...it
> takes understanding...it takes patience...and it's not doing any of this
to
> drive you crazy...it's just being itself.
>
> Oh - and one other thing...it's best if you don't try to draw a parallel
> between money invested...and ownership enjoyment...that is a
> parallel that only exists in another universe (not yet discovered)!
>
> Good Luck. RL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 44
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:05:14 -0400
From: "Richard P. Kenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Classic Airstream Club?
At 09:24 AM 9/6/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Remember just a few months ago when the WBCCI president was considering
>changing the 25 year rule as the designation for a Vintage A/S. Apparently
>some WBCCI members with older A/S's did not like the fact that more and more
>A/S's were becoming Vintage and they wanted a change in the rules to allow
>only the older, Classic A/S's in.
>
>That was shot down by an e-mail campaign from this list. Could this be their
>answer, to set up a seperate Intra club?
This sounds like the Classic AS Club is something of very recent
vintage. However, I first saw the Classic AS club brochures at a Sarasota
rally in 2000. I did not join then because it seemed to be merely a way to
exclude other Airstreamers who did not own the "classic"
trailers/MHs. WBCCI had already refused admission as an intra club then,
and apparently also in subsequent years. Maybe the resistance from VAC
played a role in their final admission as an intra club; I don't know. I
still don't see the necessity, unless one merely wants to be
exclusive. VAC is not the same kind of thing - it has only an age
requirement on trailers, and doesn't require membership to associate with
the club. When the squarestream MHs become eligible, then we'll see if
anyone wants to change the rules; I'd doubt it in such a welcoming and
friendly club.
- Dick
(5368)
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Message Number: 45
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:59:56 +0000
From: "H. A. K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: how about an argosy for sale
>
>the following "url" is for a 1973 26' argosy
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1857285544
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