On Monday 20 October 2008, Anthony Carrico wrote: > Rion D'Luz wrote: > > Hi: > > > So, fact is: > > an .org has a primary mission and its secondary one is to ensure its own > > survival? > > No the 'fact' is that an existing organization's primary mission is its > survival. It is an observation about social overhead. well, regardless of it being darwinian or stemming from some intelligent design (-:) either way, it's STO. Let's (FAS) keep 'mission' linked to what the org does not why it does it.
> > >> But it isn't a fact. Our technology and culture have progressed. We are > >> not fully conscious of the new reality, > > which is what, exactly? That the need for an org is diminished, or the > > need for a group to have the same ability to be organized has? > > Other possibilities have arrived. I'll take two, w/a side of fries > > > can you cite a couple or provide URL? Would this apply equally to business > > as to NGO's or (say laabor) movements? > Here you go. See the book "Here Comes Everybody" (2008). Also this video > (2005): > http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/clay_shirky_on_institutions_versus_collaboration.html > The examples range widely, but they are popping up everywhere today: > Subway bombing reporting done on location, by nonprofessionals. or copwatch, for that matter > Photographs with keywords + upload + index + public domain waiver = a > resource impossible to create with professional photographers. or free music distribution, or youtube > Distributed banking using the same algorithm which banks use, but with > friend-to-friend-to-friend credit rather than > client-to-bank-to-bank-to-client credit. micro-credit loans > What the heck, I'd even cite the Linux kernel vs. the Microsoft kernel. Yes, you could; but it would not strengthen the arg that the org's mission is it's survival, because all your examples (and mine) are not driven by survival, but achieving a higher mission > > Honestly, your observations tie in to a deep-seated interest i have in > > both admiring (for it's efficiency and management skills) and > > loathing (pave the earth) modern business organizational practices; > I agree, it is important. Yes, I hate to use that tired word 'enabling', but the gist of what we are discussing is how newer tech is permitting people to do more with less and to get around|over traditional org structures to accomplish that... > > I like free market capitalism--the company has drastically improved our > productivity--but it is probably only a local maxima for society's > productive capacity. The company is a tool which may not be as necessary > as it has been for a few generations. ...until FMC succeeds in destroying it (like the *AA's) > > [Beware! Editorial content: worse, our politicians seem to be rapidly > slipping toward socialism. Are we doomed to repeat last century's > mistakes instead of getting on with this century's possibilities? > Disclaimer: I was trained as an engineer, not educated in the liberal > arts. YMMV. I try to keep an open mind]. Sorry, no: we are marching headlong into facism, as the recent posts on slashdot will easily bear out. Socialism is what the southern hemisphere is reverting to; denouncing neo-liberalism (corporatism) and spreading the wealth. And they're not repeating anything, but forging a better way (in their HO) foreward; whilst we further enrich those who've plundered our national wealth (read: disaster capitalism) > > > if one concludes that their policies logically follow. > > (which is generally a group of A-types playing zero-sum games or > > bureaucrats cooking books to look better than they are) > > I have opinions, but I'll just say that fraud, politics, and debt have > completely obscured that issue, especially recently. Well, obscured temporarily at least. Things are going to get worse b4 they get better. And as that happens there should be greater opportunities for the above discussed to reach a more willing audience. It could be FOSS or the tech it provides GPG, Freenet, Tor, paranoid linux, that finds a larger audience who desires not to play their game or circumvent it entirely! Rion ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ echo '16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D4D465452snlbxq' | dc This will help you for 99.9% of your problems ... by Doc Ruby (173196) Alter Relationship on Sunday June 29, @11:38AM (#23990807) Homepage Journal To fight the Qaeda we must suspend the Constitution, take off our shoes and surrender our toothpaste getting on airplanes, invade Iraq (but not Pakistan or Saudi Arabia, but maybe Iran), pay $5 a gallon for gas. Rich people must pay no taxes, but everyone else must maximize oilcorp, pharmaco, telco, and bank profits, and hand Social Security and Medicare over to Wall Street. Free 12MPG Hummers for everyone with a credit rating, and subprime mortgages for everyone without one! Because that's the American Way that the terrorists hate us for. I feel safer already. --
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