thanks Don. I got, in a cosmetic specialty store where you buy perms and curlers and stufrf, a neat brush that has eyeliner brush on one side and a rather stiff tiny brush on the other.. It works so great for brushing out flies after they've been rope dubbed..makes them look very hairy. Just a thought, when the markers get toward the end of their run because of drying out, I find that often a few drops of toluene on the tips, put the cap on, and they are as good as new again for quite a while. Have you tried this on marabou? I"m thinking I could make my own colored tip Sunburst type marabou. Joyce
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Don Ordes <[email protected]> wrote: > Joyce, > On the long toothbrushes, I put 3 colors per brush. > I have older permanent Pantone Markers, but I believe the Spirit River > markers are the same. > I make sure I re-cap my markers, and most of them are over 15 years old, > and some of them date back 25 years. > Many have dried out and been replaced, and that happened when I didn't get > the caps back on tight. > (I'm a tight-wad, it's Buggs who leaves them open) > > It's hard to tell what colors are on some of the brushes, like the orange > is very close to the reddish brown. > So if the tooth-brush can be match-colored also on the back side, I do > this to make it easier to pick the right color. > > I had some eyelash brushes, but I lost them somewhere, tiny as they were. > They worked good. > > I'm thinking of a color 'applicator' that would be easy (cheap) to make and > may work like bristles. We'll see. > It will consist of a popsickle stick with a strip of leather glued to the > end, about a 1/4" long, with the rough side out. > A little sandpaper to roughen it up a bit more and it should take color > real well and then I can rub it on the fly body. > Will let you know how it works out. > > You'll like the subtile hues this brushing gives flies, rather than sharp > edges. If you are doing multiple identical flies, > color them all at once on a piece of hard styrofoam. It'll go faster and > you won't have the marker open as long. > > DonO > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Joyce M Westphal <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Friday, November 05, 2010 7:22 PM > *Subject:* Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing- color shading tip > > Do you use permanent markers as you do this? Do you have to have a > different toothbrush for each color you use? Inquiring minds want to know. > joyce > > On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Don Ordes <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Wayne, >> >> Save all of your old tooth brushes. One cool trick I found, not really >> related to rope-dubing, is to color an old toothbrush with permanent marker, >> >> then quick-like (before it dries) brush out a rope or even finished fly. >> It leaves hues and shades of color that can't be blended in beforehand. The >> under-rope and segments are hilited because the color is added to the humps >> only if you do it after you wrap. >> >> Say you want a stonefly with a darker brown back and a tan belly. Rope >> the fly out tan and then brush on the top color right where you want it, to >> the darkness you want, even graduating or blending colors. Using the marker >> itself tends to saturate in and then bleed out (yuk), but the tooth-brush >> carries only enough color to the fly to highlight and shade it. >> >> Or, once you have your yellow rope formed and brushed out, hit it with a >> toothbrush colored with pink marker. Will give pink hi-lites without >> actually coloring the yellow over to pink. (like blending, but frosting the >> tips only) >> >> I do a normal tooth-brush with three colors to a brush and keep them right >> there with the markers. Coloring with stiff toothbrushes also fuzzes out >> the dubbing. >> >> I know. I know. Someone will say someone else does this or did it 1st. >> I've never seen it. Don't doubt it. Can't address it. Don't care who was >> first. It's just a thing I do that I'm sharing. Been using hiliters for 30 >> years, been brushing on colors for that long. End of story. >> >> Works for all nymphs, stones, dries, eggs, whatever. >> >> DonO >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Wayne Blake-Hedges <[email protected]> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Sent:* Friday, November 05, 2010 1:38 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons >> >> Hi DonO; >> >> Your reply is almost as funny as the recipie. I'm told the original >> recipie was quite effective though. >> >> Wayneb >> >> --- On *Fri, 11/5/10, Don Ordes <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> >> From: Don Ordes <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 2:47 PM >> >> Wow, I thought Buggs smoked some good stuff! >> A good reason not to get any wool pulled over your eyes by Mr. Tups. >> Does changing this method cause any ramifications? >> Eeeewwe, ba-a-a-a-a-d, no-kidding. >> >> Buggs >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* Wayne >> Blake-Hedges<http://us.mc1115.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *To:* >> [email protected]<http://us.mc1115.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Friday, November 05, 2010 12:23 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons >> >> Hi DonO; >> >> True Tups dubbing is made from the wool on a ram's testicles. It was >> urine stained and also pink stained from red dye placed on the ewe's nether >> regions. When a Ram performed his "duty", he would get some red dye mixed >> with the urine stained wool around his testicles producing a pinkish, >> translucent wool. >> >> The dubbing blend I'm using provides the closest substutue many have found >> to date. >> >> I'll have to try rope dubbing and then brushing and see if I can obtain >> similar results to what I'm getting now. >> >> Wayneb >> >> --- On *Fri, 11/5/10, Don Ordes <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> >> From: Don Ordes <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 1:17 PM >> >> By 'sacred' means no substitutions allowed, which makes fly-tying pretty >> pagan. >> >> Don't forget your wire brush- before or after you wrap. >> >> DonO >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Wayne >> Blake-Hedges<http://us.mc1115.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *To:* >> [email protected]<http://us.mc1115.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Friday, November 05, 2010 11:06 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons >> >> Hi DonO; >> >> What do you mean by "sacred" are you reffering to the true "Tups" blend >> or what I'm using? >> >> It's amazing how many variations you see of this pattern, not only that it >> was tied as a dry fly, wet fly and as a nymph. I'm trying to tie a "Tups >> Flymph" type pattern and the dubbing blend I'm using gives me the result I >> desire. One thing I have thought of that would allow me to better use the >> rope dubbing technique is, to keep the wool fibers longer than indicated in >> the recipie. >> >> Wayneb >> >> --- On *Thu, 11/4/10, Don Ordes <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> >> From: Don Ordes <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible- comparisons >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 3:57 PM >> >> Wayne, here is one I pulled from the internet ^ >> >> Here's yours V >> How 'sacred' is the dubbing blend- material and color? >> >> DonO >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Wayne >> Blake-Hedges<http://us.mc1115.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *To:* virtual >> flybox<http://us.mc1115.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 04, 2010 1:46 PM >> *Subject:* [VFB] RE: Rope dubbing a Tups Indsipensible >> >> Hi Dono; >> >> Here's a photo I have of some earlier attempts: >> http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii179/Waynebh/IMGP0015.jpg >> >> The fly is composed of Gutermans sewing silk abdomen, with a home made >> wool dubbing from the following reciepie: To prepare the dubbing, cut off >> approximately 25 inches of natural-shade (#098) "Fisherman's Wool". This is >> available from Lion Brand Yarn Company >> (http://www.LionBrand.com<http://www.lionbrand.com/>). >> Next, cut off 3 inches of True Red (#114) yarn, also available from Lion >> Brand. The dull orange (needle felting) wool comes from Felt Works >> Dimensions and is available from many craft stores. Take the lengths of >> Fisherman's Wool and red yarn and cut into half-inch pieces. First blend the >> Fisherman's Wool, then the red wool, then combine the two and mix again in a >> blender. Once these are blended, tease out approximately 1 inch of >> cheddar-shade needle felting wool and cut into quarter-inch pieces. Blend >> with the previous two. This results in a creamy pink dubbing with just a >> hint of dull orange scattered faintly throughout the wad." >> >> I know you can touch dub using a rope dub method, it was just not working >> for me. >> >> Wayneb >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" >> group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en >> >> VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" >> group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en >> >> VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" >> group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en >> >> VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" >> group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en >> >> VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" >> group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en >> >> VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" >> group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en >> >> VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" >> group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en >> >> VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" >> group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en >> >> VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" > group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" > group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. 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