Tony: Thanks for this post... I am having casting problems too, and now I
think I see one of my main problems.. Jimmy Moore gave me some great off
list pointers, and said the same thing, go back to the 1 o'clock position..
I was out this morning, watching myself, and sure enough, I'd go back to 9
o'clock (or maybe 10 o'clock and back bounce it off the water first LOL,
then SNAP if forward like a circus lion trainer... I slowed down, went to 1
o'clock, and it wa smuch better, Thanks, Chuck

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Spezio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: Casting was: [VFB] Fishing report


> Wes,
> First, I should of proof read the post, lot's of spelling mistakes. It
> was late and I am not a good typist.
> When I started flyfishing, the streams I fished were real small and all
> the casting I did was kind of a roll cast. This was with slow bamboo and
> glass rods. After years of spin casting , I got back into fly fishing
> and had to learn to really cast as I was fishing for bass on open ponds.
> I bet I looked like a fool.
> My fishing partner at that time learned to cast from Lefty, when you
> watched him cast, it was like watching watching Lefty. As good as he
> could cast, he was not able to help me at all. I learned the casting
> basics from a 17 year old salesperson at LL Bean in Maine. After he
> showed me the 1,2,3,4 method, I was able to put out a line where I
> wanted it. I finally got some confidence in myself and kept improving. I
> don't consider myself a great caster, sometimes not even a good caster
> but I can teach it better than I can cast. I really learned to cast
> after moving to Arkansas and fishing the White.
> I too, see the O---- suited fly fisher people on the river that don't
> know one end of a rod from the other. It is a real pity. Last Thursday
> at Redbud, there was a guide with two clients in a boat drifting down
> the river. Both were dressed to the gills with fine fishing apparel.
> Neither could cast, the guide would cast out a long cast and hand the
> rod to the clients. When the clients would try to cast, in most cases
> they would tangle up with one another.
> If I had them, the first thing I would do is teach then the basics of
> casting. Both clients were swinging the rod in a full 180 degree arch, I
> would at least teach them to make a pause at 1 o'clock.
> I can go on with more stories but it would sound like I "know it all". I
> will tell one more story.
> A guy I met at a show I was doing wanted to get into flyfishing for him
> and his wife. We got to be friends and I offered to take them on the
> river. They went up to the "O" shop and spent big bucks to get
> outfitted. A couple of weeks later we got together and headed for the
> river. They had been practicing casting at home. needless to say,
> neither could cast a rod. I worked with them but I was really not making
> much headway. I thought I would cast one of their high priced rods to
> get the feel of it so maybe I could better know what the problem was.
> The rod was as stiff as a telephone pole. It was a real fast rod and it
> was not a rod I would recommend for a beginner. Well here is the rest of
> the story, I let them share my rod for the rest of the day.  By time the
> day was over, both had caught trout and could make a decent cast.
> Neither could make a good cast with the rods they brought with them. My
> rod was a 17.00 Blem blank I got at the local rod makers.
> They took the rods back to the local "O" shop, theshop would not take
> them back or exchange them. He finally got an exchange from the main
> company but still was not happy with the rods. He finally had me build
> them a couple of rods like mine.
> A lot of the casting problem for beginners is the rod itself.
> I am rambling on too much.
> Tony
>
> Wes Wada wrote:
>
> > Tony Spezio wrote:
> >
> >> The client could not cast to save his life
> >
> >
> > Great post, Tony.  I really felt I was right there looking over your
> > shoulder.
> >
> > On the other note above, a few comments:
> >
> > I am not a great caster, but I can pop a good one fairly consistently.
> > I think the sea change for me was seeing a demo by Lefty Kreh, then
> > reading his casting book.  I am saving up for his DVD.  As Lefty would
> > say, "It's all about the physics." Your tippet size may vary.
> >
> > I am in a situation where I regularly run into other anglers visiting
> > the northern California pay fishery Sugar Creek Ranch.  I get to know,
> > for a very brief period, anglers who are staying in the lodge for a
> > night or two, or in other times, anglers who are attending a fly
> > fishing clinic.
> >
> > It happens more in the clinics, you see guys with great gear who can't
> > cast (as the saying goes) to save their lives.  Just being able to
> > cast 30 feet will double your opportunities at the Ranch, and these
> > guys can't even do that consistently.  Think of this:  if you have a
> > 9-ft. rod and a 9-ft. leader, and just lay the rod and line out
> > horizontally, you can make as much as an 18-ft. cast.  I've seen guys
> > who can't even do that, albeit, trying to cast a weighted streamer.
> >
> > We often get into friendly chats, and the topic of casting does come
> > up.  (People get frustrated with their casting, and lack of basic
> > skill sure gets in the way of catching fish.)
> >
> > I refer people to Lefty's demo, book and DVD, and encourage them to
> > invest in a casting lesson.  For MANY anglers, just doing that much
> > will far outweigh any benefit they might get by buying a more
> > expensive rod, reel, line, leader, etc.  Learning how to cast so that
> > it becomes more second nature will do more to enhance an angler's
> > enjoyment of the act of fly fishing than just about anything.
> >
> > Wes Wada
> > Bend, Oregon
> >
> > "Writing and fishing are my passions. Like all passions, they're great
> > when they're going well, and awful when they're not. Like anything,
> > the more you do it, the better you get. They keep drawing you out. You
> > never get perfect."
> > ~  John Gierach
> >
>
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