In tying off behind a bead the thread will not slide all the way down if too much material is in the way. On the Chili Pepper there is a definite Fire Orange collar behind the bead. Normally on Bugger type flies, the tie off thread is hidden behind the bead. Building up that collar so it shows means a lot more wraps are made than is normally used to tie off. There lies part of the problem. Too many wraps or too much bulk. Now you tried it on a bare hook and had no problems. What does this tell you. When I tie the Peppers, I don't bulk up the chenille up against the bead, I just get it close enough to tie it off. Then bring up the hackle and tie it off in front of the chenille. This keeps a lot of bulk from behind the bead. When building up the thread collar, I make a few wraps pulling tight on each wrap, half hitch then while pulling on the thread use my fingernail to push the wraps down and repeat the above till I have the collar I want. It is all automatic to me as I have been doing it this way for a long time. George Vincent's way using glue is also a good idea. I have to tie a dozen donation Peppers this afternoon, I am going to try using glue on the thread as he suggested. You might have a bit of a problem doing this, seems I remember a post where you said you bite off your fingernails to the quick. LOL Tony
--- Chuck Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tony: I think you answered my question. I was tying > (TRYING LOL) to tie > chili peppers with the 6/0 orange BEHIND a gold > beadhead.. I'll try less > rounds and a double knot, Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anthony Spezio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:52 PM > Subject: Re: [VFB] Guderbrod Thread Question > > > > Chuck > > Not seeing what you are doing, it is hard to tell > you > > what is going wrong. I have seen this happen a lot > > when the Whip knot is tied behind a bead. What > happens > > is the thread does not get tight behind the bead, > it > > climbes up the face of the bead. What I do is push > the > > wraps down behind the bead, with my fingernail, > pull > > tight each time and then make the knot, then a > second > > knot. Another thing is too many wraps and not > getting > > each wrap tight enough. When you pull on the > thread > > and clip it, the thread acts like a rubber band > and > > springs back under the wraps. > > These are just a few common things that happen, > wish I > > could see what you are doing so that I can help > you. > > When you say the Gudebrod thread don't work for > you, > > YOUSE IS STEPPING ON ME TOES> LOL That is the only > > thread I use. > > Whip Knot Tony > > > > --- Chuck Alexander > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Folks: It's probably something a "rookie tier" > like > >> myself is doing wrong, but when Nick brought up > >> Guderbrod thread yesterday I think it was..Well, > I > >> tried that brand, and I CANNOT get the whip > finish > >> knot NOT to unravel.. No matter if I whip finish > >> 3-4-5-6 etc rounds, if I snipped off the thread > >> really close, it (the knot) would come unraveled, > >> like some of the nylon ropes that there are that > >> just will not hold a knot..Like it has more wax > than > >> it needed??? So, I have been using Uni Thread and > >> Danville's with no problems..The thread (The > >> Guderbrod) "feels" like great thread, so, am i > doing > >> something wrong??? Cause I have a few spools and > >> hate to see anything go to waste, Thanks, Chuck > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
