Tony: Thanks... BTW I HAVE let my fingernail grow LOL..Anyway, yeah, you are right.. When I first tied the Chili Pepper (or any flies for that matter) I thought , that, on the tie off thread that "more was better".. Not true, but learning something a wrong way is harder to UNlearn that to learn it correctly the first time.. I should have looked at the videos I have more I guess..But, at least on the chili pepper , as it turned out, the way I tie it, it has a much bigger orange neck than a normal pepper, and it has caught me a ton of bluegills, so, I just kept tying it that way..I tied some Saturday , for my wife and I to use yesterday, and used a half hitch before tying the wrap, and used glue between those two steps and they seemed to be alot tighter. None of them unraveled after catching several fish anyway.. Thank for the tips, Chuck

----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Spezio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [VFB] Guderbrod Thread Question


In tying off behind a bead the thread will not slide
all the way down if too much material is in the way.
On the Chili Pepper there is a definite Fire Orange
collar behind the bead. Normally on Bugger type flies,
the tie off thread is hidden behind the bead. Building
up that collar so it shows means a lot more wraps are
made than is normally used to tie off. There lies part
of the problem. Too many wraps or too much bulk. Now
you tried it on a bare hook and had no problems. What
does this tell you. When I tie the Peppers, I don't
bulk up the chenille  up against the bead, I just get
it close enough to tie it off. Then bring up the
hackle and tie it off in front of the chenille. This
keeps a lot of bulk from behind the bead. When
building up the thread collar, I make a few wraps
pulling tight on each wrap, half hitch then while
pulling on the thread use my fingernail to push the
wraps down and repeat the above till I have the collar
I want. It is all automatic to me as I have been doing
it this way for a long time. George Vincent's way
using glue is also a good idea. I have to tie a dozen
donation Peppers this afternoon, I am going to try
using glue on the thread as he suggested.
You might have a bit of a problem doing this, seems I
remember a post where you said you bite off your
fingernails to the quick.
LOL
Tony


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