I think there are many benefits to being able to download and cache
videos for local playback.

thats a hard fact.  no doubt. 

Its nice to be able to play videos when offline

yup.  except who here is ever offline?  LOL

I'm always clicking around on different videos and I really enjoy this sort of
freedom in my viewing experience. You cannot do this on the web without siginifcant latency

yes, there is truth to this, but overall as a broadband user... i dont have problems playing video via the web.  so i just dont think this reason has that much punch.  my online experiences feel like offline experiences.... give or take a video once in a while from the archive.org :(  used to be worse... they are getting better. 

earlier, i described the different types of internet video consumers... many are like you and others here and many are so totally not.  they enjoy watching videoblogs.... but they can be just as satisifed with an experience that is web based.... getting a vlog via email or browsing a directory during a work break... watching a handful of videos throughout the day... not catching up on 70 RSS channels.   Me... I am a little bit of both.  some days, i watch a ton of vlogs... most days i can only watch 2, 5, maybe 10 sporatically during the day.  I think the growing audience of Internet Video will be mostly this type....

videoblogs on TiVo or other TV tube centric experiences via IPTV etc is a branch of this topic... and i am not referring to that. 

so i am all about the fireants, nimiqs and juice etc... extremely useful and always will be. 
i dont make a distinction really that one is better than the other... it depends on the audience.


On 12/23/05, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
FireAnt for Mac can play FLV, provided that the raw FLV file is
syndicated, not the SWF wrapper. FireAnt for Windows does not yet play
FLV, but it does play SWF. We are working on improving this.

I think there are many benefits to being able to download and cache
videos for local playback. This can become especially valuable if you
want to watch a lot of videos from a lot of different sources... just
the same way that people use RSS now. Some people like web based
aggregators, but I've always preferred a desktop RSS reader. Its nice
to be able to play videos when offline. I use a laptop and carry it
with me, so my Internet connection is not permanent. Its easier to
skip around and control your viewing experience when you're dealing
with local files... its not about "lean back" for me. I'm always
clicking around on different videos and I really enjoy this sort of
freedom in my viewing experience. You cannot do this on the web
without siginifcant latency even when dealing with Google Video (I
happen to think Google Video is designed to be more of a Lean Back

However, not many people are syndicating FLV yet. Maybe because they
do not want their video to play in another SWF wrapper. Perhaps they
have some branding or special interactivity included in the SWF
portion that they do not want to lose in syndication. For instance
YouTube has a water mark and a few interactive features that are not
part of the FLV but rather part of the SWF wrapper). Most people using
Flash Video are not individual video creators, but rather
upload-your-video-here type of services (to do Flash Video well is
still rather difficult for the individual, there are many steps
involved and you have to be rather proficient with Flash, which is
both expensive and confusing). These services are probably not fond of
the download-and-cache model of RSS enclosures because once the file
is downloaded locally then they cannot track imprressions, which may
be a core component of their business strategy.

The next thing about Flash Video is that downloading it can be easily
prevented by a good Flash designer. I'm actually really surprised that
Google made it relatively easy to reverse engineer their process so
that I could discover the direct download link for the video. I'm sure
they do not want people to know about this loophole if they intend to
get mainstream content owners to put their stuff onto Google (these
content owners would cringe at the thought of people potentially
downloading, remixing, redistributing their content). If they wanted
to make it easy for people to download, Google could have provided a
simple download link, but instead I took the time to do a little
hacking with a Greasemonkey script:
< http://www.joshkinberg.com/blog/archives/2005/11/greased_google.php >

This type of hack is not always available with Flash Video. The
YouTube hack relies on another method, which again is a loophole that
YouTube could close if they wanted to (and I'm sure they do want to
based on some of my discussions with them, they probably just haven't
seen the Greasemonkey script yet). I've looked at Brightcove video
players and have not yet found a method to download the video files.
This is certainly by design -- the Brightcove player is an entire
Flash application, not a video embedded in a webpage, so there is very
little you can discover from a simple "View Source" of the HTML.

I don't buy the argument that its hard for people to install
Quicktime. Its just as hard to install the latest Flash Player plugin
if that's the case (the newest Flash Video requires version 8 of the
Flash plugin). If you are dealing with some sort of corporate blockage
when it comes to installing programs, then you won't be able to
install Flash plugin either.

All in all I have no problem with Flash Video. I do think however that
it is more often used to restrict the freedom of the viewer and
control the experience from the point of view of the service provider
(which may not be the same as the content creator) rather than to
enhance the experience for the viewer. If I want to download and view
the video later why shouldn't I be able to? If I want to put it on an
iPod, why can't I? If I want to aggregate it with other videos so that
I can view things in offline and skip around seemlessly, why not?


On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My only problem is you can't vlog it because of the flash wrapper. I
> even tried vlogging the flash wrapper. Doesn't work.
> I thought I heard something about a greasmonkey script or plugin for
> uncovering the permalink directly to the video so you can vlog it.
> But I never followed up on it and seem to have misplaced the reference.
> -Mike
> On Dec 23, 2005, at 1:19 AM, andrew michael baron wrote:
> Has anyone been keeping up with Google Video? I'm starting to think
> that it may be a good solution for people who are just starting out
> or want to incorporate video into their site with links, kinda like
> people use flickr (an off-site compilation).
> I just gave it a shot this week. If you have a gmail account, you
> just login and upload a video. It's pretty much that easy. They have
> assured me up and down and I have it in writing that they can not own
> it or do anything if I decide to take the video down one day.
> The worst part is the verification process which takes at least a day
> or more. The bit rate is not great though again, from the perspective
> of making it easy for people to experiment with getting their videos
> online, in an easy way which may help as a stepping stone to a more
> dedicated and integrated way of doing it, it seems to be pretty good,
> for free.
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> Yahoo! Groups Links

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