> so i am all about the fireants, nimiqs and juice etc... extremely useful and > always will be. > i dont make a distinction really that one is better than the other... it > depends on the audience.
Ummm... yeah, there's a huge distinction there. Nimiq and Juice do not play video. They certainly do not play any type of video (QT, WMV, SWF, Real, etc.). -josh On 12/23/05, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think there are many benefits to being able to download and cache > > videos for local playback. > > > thats a hard fact. no doubt. > > > > Its nice to be able to play videos when offline > > > > yup. except who here is ever offline? LOL > > > > I'm always clicking around on different videos and I really enjoy this sort > > of > > freedom in my viewing experience. You cannot do this on the web without > > siginifcant latency > > > yes, there is truth to this, but overall as a broadband user... i dont have > problems playing video via the web. so i just dont think this reason has > that much punch. my online experiences feel like offline experiences.... > give or take a video once in a while from the archive.org :( used to be > worse... they are getting better. > > earlier, i described the different types of internet video consumers... many > are like you and others here and many are so totally not. they enjoy > watching videoblogs.... but they can be just as satisifed with an experience > that is web based.... getting a vlog via email or browsing a directory during > a work break... watching a handful of videos throughout the day... not > catching up on 70 RSS channels. Me... I am a little bit of both. some > days, i watch a ton of vlogs... most days i can only watch 2, 5, maybe 10 > sporatically during the day. I think the growing audience of Internet Video > will be mostly this type.... > > videoblogs on TiVo or other TV tube centric experiences via IPTV etc is a > branch of this topic... and i am not referring to that. > > so i am all about the fireants, nimiqs and juice etc... extremely useful and > always will be. > i dont make a distinction really that one is better than the other... it > depends on the audience. > > sull > > > > > On 12/23/05, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > FireAnt for Mac can play FLV, provided that the raw FLV file is > > syndicated, not the SWF wrapper. FireAnt for Windows does not yet play > > FLV, but it does play SWF. We are working on improving this. > > > > I think there are many benefits to being able to download and cache > > videos for local playback. This can become especially valuable if you > > want to watch a lot of videos from a lot of different sources... just > > the same way that people use RSS now. Some people like web based > > aggregators, but I've always preferred a desktop RSS reader. Its nice > > to be able to play videos when offline. I use a laptop and carry it > > with me, so my Internet connection is not permanent. Its easier to > > skip around and control your viewing experience when you're dealing > > with local files... its not about "lean back" for me. I'm always > > clicking around on different videos and I really enjoy this sort of > > freedom in my viewing experience. You cannot do this on the web > > without siginifcant latency even when dealing with Google Video (I > > happen to think Google Video is designed to be more of a Lean Back > > experience). > > > > However, not many people are syndicating FLV yet. Maybe because they > > do not want their video to play in another SWF wrapper. Perhaps they > > have some branding or special interactivity included in the SWF > > portion that they do not want to lose in syndication. For instance > > YouTube has a water mark and a few interactive features that are not > > part of the FLV but rather part of the SWF wrapper). Most people using > > Flash Video are not individual video creators, but rather > > upload-your-video-here type of services (to do Flash Video well is > > still rather difficult for the individual, there are many steps > > involved and you have to be rather proficient with Flash, which is > > both expensive and confusing). These services are probably not fond of > > the download-and-cache model of RSS enclosures because once the file > > is downloaded locally then they cannot track imprressions, which may > > be a core component of their business strategy. > > > > The next thing about Flash Video is that downloading it can be easily > > prevented by a good Flash designer. I'm actually really surprised that > > Google made it relatively easy to reverse engineer their process so > > that I could discover the direct download link for the video. I'm sure > > they do not want people to know about this loophole if they intend to > > get mainstream content owners to put their stuff onto Google (these > > content owners would cringe at the thought of people potentially > > downloading, remixing, redistributing their content). If they wanted > > to make it easy for people to download, Google could have provided a > > simple download link, but instead I took the time to do a little > > hacking with a Greasemonkey script: > > < http://www.joshkinberg.com/blog/archives/2005/11/greased_google.php > > > > > This type of hack is not always available with Flash Video. The > > YouTube hack relies on another method, which again is a loophole that > > YouTube could close if they wanted to (and I'm sure they do want to > > based on some of my discussions with them, they probably just haven't > > seen the Greasemonkey script yet). I've looked at Brightcove video > > players and have not yet found a method to download the video files. > > This is certainly by design -- the Brightcove player is an entire > > Flash application, not a video embedded in a webpage, so there is very > > little you can discover from a simple "View Source" of the HTML. > > > > I don't buy the argument that its hard for people to install > > Quicktime. Its just as hard to install the latest Flash Player plugin > > if that's the case (the newest Flash Video requires version 8 of the > > Flash plugin). If you are dealing with some sort of corporate blockage > > when it comes to installing programs, then you won't be able to > > install Flash plugin either. > > > > All in all I have no problem with Flash Video. I do think however that > > it is more often used to restrict the freedom of the viewer and > > control the experience from the point of view of the service provider > > (which may not be the same as the content creator) rather than to > > enhance the experience for the viewer. If I want to download and view > > the video later why shouldn't I be able to? If I want to put it on an > > iPod, why can't I? If I want to aggregate it with other videos so that > > I can view things in offline and skip around seemlessly, why not? > > > > -josh > > > > > > On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My only problem is you can't vlog it because of the flash wrapper. I > > > even tried vlogging the flash wrapper. Doesn't work. > > > > > > I thought I heard something about a greasmonkey script or plugin for > > > uncovering the permalink directly to the video so you can vlog it. > > > But I never followed up on it and seem to have misplaced the reference. > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > On Dec 23, 2005, at 1:19 AM, andrew michael baron wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone been keeping up with Google Video? I'm starting to think > > > that it may be a good solution for people who are just starting out > > > or want to incorporate video into their site with links, kinda like > > > people use flickr (an off-site compilation). > > > > > > I just gave it a shot this week. If you have a gmail account, you > > > just login and upload a video. It's pretty much that easy. They have > > > assured me up and down and I have it in writing that they can not own > > > it or do anything if I decide to take the video down one day. > > > > > > The worst part is the verification process which takes at least a day > > > or more. The bit rate is not great though again, from the perspective > > > of making it easy for people to experiment with getting their videos > > > online, in an easy way which may help as a stepping stone to a more > > > dedicated and integrated way of doing it, it seems to be pretty good, > > > for free. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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