Im sure you have a valid point, and I certainly am no fan of software that is overhyped and causes pain.
Ive been following Drupal for a couple of years, and Joomla since it branched from Mambo. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. Both have amazed me, both have frustrated me and left me gloomy at times. From a development point of view, I can think of circumstances where Id rather start with Drupal as the foundation rather than Joomla, and vica versa. If I were trying to make a complete site without any additional coding then Id probably be more likely to pick Joomla, but it really does come down to what features you need. I certainly wouldnt want drupal to disappear or fail, it has a fanbase and I dont think they are all deluded, and the last thing that websites that may have suffered development pain in the past with drupal need is for drupal to disappear off the face of the earth. I think you can probably attribute some of ourmedias problems to drupal, but I think there were other significant factors at work too, not directly related to drupal. I see there are some opensource CMS awards and Joomla just beat Drupal this time, but both clearly have their supporters and users who recommend them. http://www.packtpub.com/award Anyway as to which platform to develop mediaRSS stuff for, clearly there is a demand for it to be supported in all popular blog & CMS opensource apps, its hopefully not a case of picking only one to dedicate efforts towards. In most cases what happens will come down to what systems the people who actual do it, want to support. Its kinda interesting how little Joomla has been mentioned here in this group until now, and I had assumed Wordpress already had mediaRSS by now. At the end of the day the people who are interested in coding mediaRSS support for these platforms need to step forward for it to happen. It doesnt really matter what people think of drupal, if theres people who are gonna develop for it anyway, then hoorah! Saying that developing such things for drupal is a waste of time doesnt actually make development for wordpress or joomla more likely to happen. But yeah I do know what its like to hate software enough to think the world would be better off without it, so Im not trying to slap you down or anything. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In [email protected], "Mike Hudack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, it was uncharacteristicallyharsh, it's true. But I stand by my > statement. I can think of -- off the top of my head -- at least five > projects that either failed or were significantly damaged because of > their choice of Drupal as their CMS. Drupal looks great. It looks like > it has everything that you need to start a significantly powerful social > Web site out of the box, and it looks like it's significantly extensible > such that you can add new functionality easily. It even looks like it > scales. > > Well, the features that it does have were designed by software > developers without end users in mind. Its code is poorly documented > spaghetti that has gotten more programmers into trouble (and nasty > back-end rats nests of code bases) than I care to count. And it doesn't > scale. I've had more than a couple late-night beer-fueled sessions > where CTOs and directors of development cry on my shoulder about their > decisions to use Drupal. > > So, like I say, I think we'd be better off without it. Drupal is like a > Siren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siren). > > Yours, > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sull > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:19 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > lol. > > i suppose, yeah. > > kinda harsh, even if you're not a fan of drupal. > > if you dont use it or like it, no harm done. many people do > > like it and > > *know* how to use it well. > > better to have it exist than not ;) > > > > sull > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > You ask because you think that's a crzy thing to say? > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: [email protected] > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > < [email protected] <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>> > > > To: [email protected] > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> < > > > [email protected] <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>> > > > Sent: Tue Dec 05 21:05:49 2006 > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > are you at a bar drinking beers? > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mike%40blip.tv>> wrote: > > > > > > > > The sooner Drupal goes away the better off we all are. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:[email protected]<videoblogging%40yahoogroups. > > > > > com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > <groups-yahoo-com%40mmeiser.com><groups-yahoo-com%40mmeiser.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:33 PM > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > > > > > I like the idea, but wouldn't it serve vloggers on the > > whole more > > > > > if it was an addition to wordpress. > > > > > > > > > > Also, isn't ourmedia running on drupal. Certainly having rich > > > > > media feeds from ourmedia would be pretty damn cool as well. > > > > > > > > > > I'm torn. Everything needs to do mediaRSS. > > > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > mmeiser.com/blog > > > > > mefeedia.com > > > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <mike%40blip.tv><mike%40blip.tv>> wrote: > > > > > > We would very happily support such a project. > > > > > > > > > > > > Two ways you could go about it: > > > > > > > > > > > > Base it on something like Wordpress, so that everyone can > > > > > install it > > > > > > themselves (but this means that everyone would have to find > > > > > hosting, > > > > > > install it themselves, et cetera). > > > > > > > > > > > > Or you could base it on Wordpress-MU, and we could > > offer hosting > > > > > > services for it over at blip. > > > > > > > > > > > > For whatever it's worth, we're moving towards offering much > > > > > > better show pages on blip that could potentially fit many > > > > > > people's > > > > > needs for > > > > > > a Web presence. That's the idea, anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > [email protected]<videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:[email protected]<videoblogging%40yahoogro > > > > > > > ups.com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Rick Rey > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:42 PM > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > [email protected]<videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We really need a vlog-based CMS. Really, as in > > really really. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it came from this community, all the better. My choice > > > > > would be > > > > > > > to partner with a hosting provider (Blip) and integrate > > > > > with their > > > > > > > services. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we already know how it would work, what it would > > > > > look like, > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Joshua Kinberg > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<jkinberg%40gmail.com><jkinberg%40gmail.com > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not use HaveMoneyWillVlog to raise funds for this > > > > > > > > development effort? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or create a new HMWV style project for development... > > > > > > > "VlogDevBounty" > > > > > > > > anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Josh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Steve Watkins > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<steve%40dvmachine.com><steve%40dvmachin > > > > > > > > e.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <steve%40dvmachine.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Id love to help out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway I'll start to talk about it here although I agree > > > > > > > that more > > > > > > > > > detailed discussions probably belong elsewhere. Is there > > > > > > > somewhere > > > > > > > > > > > > we can go to talk about this in more detail on the > > > > > web? Should > > > > > > > > > we talk about it on drupal forums or is there better > > > > > > > > > alternatives or reasons not to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I havent tried Drupal 5 beta yet. I plan to install it > > > > > > > > > soon (been testing 4.7 previously). From > > memory, the video > > > > > > > > > module > > > > > > > isnt part of > > > > > > > > > the core is it? So I guess its not really beneficial to > > > > > > > > > have mediaRSS as part of the core unless video is too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see the video module is being updated quite a lot > > > > > > > recently, seems > > > > > > > > > like automatic thumbnails and other stuff got added in > > > > > > > November, by > > > > > > > > > the looks of CSV messges: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://drupal.org/project/cvs/25274 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So anyways I was ondering if you will be working with > > > > > whoever is > > > > > > > > > currently maintaining the video module, that sort of > > > > > > > thing. I am not > > > > > > > > > a very good programmer so Idoubt I can be too > > much direct > > > > > > > help, but > > > > > > > > > I can do testing & give technical feedback. I have some > > > > > > > funds that > > > > > > > > > would probably translate to $200 US available > > to help the > > > > > > > cause, if > > > > > > > > > its actually of use. Is there some sort of channel for > > > > > > > > > drual sponsored projects or is it just simply paying > > > > > > > > > directly > > > > > > > whoever is > > > > > > > > > willing (eg you by the sounds of it, groovy), > > to dedicate > > > > > > > some time to the work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both my own future blog/vlog site, and some other > > > > > > > projects, are on > > > > > > > > > infinite hold waiting for me to do a drupal > > site properly > > > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > features I know I want. Drupal has come quite a > > long way, > > > > > > > > > esp the video module, and Im confident Drupal with the > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > modules can do > > > > > > > > > 80% of what I need right now. Further improvements to > > > > > > > video & feed > > > > > > > > > features are something I care enough about to > > contribute > > > > > > > > > to financially, so may actually have more money than > > > > > stated above > > > > > > > > > available if this stuff starts to fly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are also weirder things Id like to do if a few > > > > > > > other existing > > > > > > > > > modules did just a bit more, and knew about eachother a > > > > > > > little more. > > > > > > > > > I see google map and timeline modules, and it makes me > > > > > > > wonder about > > > > > > > > > mashing them together with video content uploaded to the > > > > > > > site, and > > > > > > > > > having odd new ways to see peoples videos mapped to time > > > > > > > and space. > > > > > > > > > It might be a dud idea for all I know, but until I > > > > > see it I wont > > > > > > > > > know if its a failure, and I dont qutie have the skills > > > > > > > to make it happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve of Elbows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]<videoblogging%40yahoogroups. > > > > > > > > > com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > > > "Matt Savarino" > > > > > > > > > <leanbackvids@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure sponsoring a G would improve the chance of > > > > > > > adding mRSS to > > > > > > > > > > the Drupal core (version 5.0), which is still in beta. > > > > > > > After the > > > > > > > > > > final release, all changes to the core modules will be > > > > > > > part of the > > > > > > > > > > next version. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, mRSS would be easy to add alongside > > an existing > > > > > > > > > > Drupal > > > > > > > > site... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You could create a new module that generates your > > > > > mRSS file(s) > > > > > > > > > > upon each node add/edit, or better yet, just run it > > > > > > > every hour w/ > > > > > > > > > > the cron function built into the module. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If others are interested in Drupal, I'd love to talk > > > > > > > more with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm going to start building add-on modules > > for version 5... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggregator: > > > > > > > > > > - full support for enclosures, mRSS and geoRSS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > video: > > > > > > > > > > - improve add/edit form > > > > > > > > > > - expand mime-types (currently m4v not used w/ QT) > > > > > > > > > > - expand services (add myspace video, tagworld, etc) > > > > > > > > > > - add iTunes feed (w/ customized options like > > > > > > > > > > Feedburner) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Email me offlist if you'd like to help out or > > have other > > > > > > > > > > feature > > > > > > > > > requests. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Matt > > > > > > > > > > http://vlogmap.org > > > > > > > > > > http://ridertech.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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