As to Network2's involvement in the personal media revolution 3rd paragraph of this http://www.evilvlog.com/?p=6256 deals with the underlying animosity that is brought upon video portal sites, and says exactly this for those that would rather not follow the link:
The thing about Network2 or Network3 or Network4 is this: If you want to > profit from the work of independent producers, you should ask them first. > It's common courtesy. > On 12/15/06, Adam Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > After re-reading that it appears that I called Casey shit. I do not think > that Casey McKinnon is Shit. I think that Galacticast is Shit. > > On 12/15/06, Adam Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Independent producers, the ones doing innovative things, creative > > things, with their "CONTENT", are being left behind in the billion dollar > > Youtube "new media" revolution. > > > > There are people doing very impressive, intelligent, timeless things. > > Many of which, idealistically, have no ulterior motives other than to create > > art. I wrap Richard BF and several other amazing people into this category. > > > > > > They aren't selling me anything. > > > > But the people that seem to be glorified in this "Videoblogging" Yahoo! > > group are the ones that cater to the lowest common denominator. > > > > There was an inherent honesty involved when I joined this group. > > Inherent because we were all just responding to each other's videos. And I > > understand that we have outgrown that simplicity (it's become Youtube). > > > > I'd like to retain some of that structure if possible though. > > > > I'm not sure if it is. > > > > I can no longer sit idly by reading glowing reviews of Amanda Across > > America or Galacticast. > > > > I happen to think Casey is a very nice woman. I just think what she and > > Amanda Congdon are trying to do to the personal media revolution is very > > contrary to what I think should be happening. > > > > Because they are both SHIT. > > > > I'm not saying you shouldn't post about either of these pieces of shit, > > just saying that I can no longer read this email list without responding > > appropriately to my conscience. > > > > Apologies to anyone offended. > > > > Ok, > > AQ > > > > > > > > On 12/15/06, sull < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > well i will chime in *again*. > > > > > > i have nothing truly against network2. > > > they communicate here and seem like smart, decent people in this > > > space. > > > of course, that is also in best business interests but hey.... you > > > cant be > > > too skeptical otherwise you would be... paranoid. > > > > > > i've claimed this before, but its important to repeat it especially > > > when a > > > thread like this invites it. > > > > > > vlogdir.com is OPT-IN. from day 1 in April 2005, the directory has > > > been a > > > community-driven directory. > > > I didnt populate it. YOU did. and I am proud of that because i think > > > it is > > > an interesting gauge of this vlog community. > > > I also think that it works mostly as a passive filter. Meaning, people > > > actually take a few moments to submit their videoblog and vodcast (rss > > > feed). That means that they think they have something good to share > > > with > > > others. so they choose to take some measures to do that sharing. > > > vlogdir is always a top 10-20 result in google... so it helps > > > somewhat. > > > > > > I also believe that vlogmap.org has worked this way for almost as > > > long. > > > > > > though i totally love mefeedia.... they are not only opt-in and they > > > actually went through a period when they sucked in a boat-load of > > > feeds from > > > other services like blip, vimeo, vsocial, youtube etc. i call most of > > > those > > > feeds.... orphans. > > > but mefeedia is like the best overall vlog/feed aggregator i think and > > > they > > > do a tremendous amount of "right" stuff.... so, this is in no way to > > > traject > > > anything negative on mefeedia. they rock and when i can, i help them > > > out > > > with feedback. > > > > > > fireant.tv is opt-in too but last i checked, they also add in their > > > own > > > selections as well. the weird part is the fact that any feed you enter > > > in > > > the app, gets added to a database as part of a review queue.... and if > > > it > > > looks tasty, it will end up on the web directory. i think you can > > > opt-out > > > of that happening on mac version. but many feeds on fireant.tv are > > > added by > > > fireant themselves as well as the community (whether intended or not). > > > > > > the only time i truly think its nasty to add feeds without opt-in is > > > when > > > some site appears out of nowhere and sucks in feeds and wraps ads > > > around > > > everything. > > > they are obviously just trying to rank high in search results and make > > > a few > > > bucks. no value back to the community and no value to the publishers. > > > its > > > cheap and its dirty. and it creates a bad reputation too. > > > > > > RSS... yes if you put out a feed, as a general rule you are > > > syndicating your > > > content to anyone on the web. Preferably, you want that content > > > grabbed by > > > an audience, not by random aggregator sites. But you also realize that > > > some > > > of the reputable aggregator sites actually do help you gain exposure > > > and get > > > traffic and distribute your media. More people can subscribe to you. > > > It > > > can be a very good thing if you actually want to spread your media. > > > But you should respect the aggregator and if you dont, you should be > > > able to > > > tell them to remove your content. and they should respond asap. > > > > > > network2 seems like they are trying to add value to the community. i > > > think > > > they might succeed. we'll see. > > > > > > vlogdir.com... well.... the project was one of the originals to come > > > out of > > > this community.... and its in auto-pilot. it still serves and > > > represents > > > the vlogosphere.... but i have not personally focused on evolving the > > > project. after all, it is what it is. what else can it be? i promote > > > vlogs that i like a lot... on the site and elsewhere. and every once > > > in a > > > while i need to delete some vietnam tourism site etc but for the most > > > part, > > > the directory has been problem free. thats a success story. to me at > > > least. > > > > > > maybe in 2007, i will carve a little time out to improve the site. > > > > > > in mean time, make sure any agg-newcomers work like mefeedia, vlogdir, > > > fireant, vlogmap, blip..... the originals.... who give full > > > attribution and > > > add value to the community. oh, i suppose network2 as well ;) > > > > > > sull > > > > > > On 12/14/06, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<markus.sandy%40mac.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > i think i see a difference > > > > > > > > aren't fireant and mefeedia "opt-in" ? > > > > > > > > also, i don't think they *feature* sites from people who wish > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > On Dec 14, 2006, at 1:32 PM, Heath wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't see what you are doing as any different than Fireant, or > > > > > MeFeedia, etc. You are providing a way to view video on the web, > > > > > vlogs, etc.....at least you are providing link backs and other > > > > > things, there are plenty of sites around that just "take" your > > > feed > > > > > and you would never know it. Ran across a few of those, now THAT > > > > > bothers me, just taking, but I don't see what you are doing > > > > > as "wrong"..... IMO you have been honest and above board, so no > > > > > worries on my end.. > > > > > > > > > > Heath > > > > > http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > [email protected]<videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > "[chrisbrogan.com]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Markus Sandy > > > > http://feeds.feedburner.com/havemoneywillvlog > > > > http://feeds.feedburner.com/apperceptions > > > > http://feeds.feedburner.com/digitaldojo > > > > http://feeds.feedburner.com/spinflow > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sull > > > http://vlogdir.com (a project) > > > http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) > > > http://interdigitate.com (otherly) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
