And I'm saying I think we have the tools to correct that ourselves which in the long run will better serve us than hunting down every aggregator out there that doesn't take upon themselves to do so. There's just no way to keep up. Let's build players that include attribution and links directly. And as creators, we should be sure to add that information to the videos themselves.
On 1/30/07, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't think the issue is advertising. If it was there wouldn't be an > issue since ads with video is now fairly commoditized technology. I think > the bigger issue is credit and respect for the terms of the cc license > itself, which can put restrictions on commercial use and require proper > attribution. > > In terms of videoronk my concern is that credit is given to blip but not > to the content creator. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> < > [email protected] <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>> > To: [email protected] <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> < > [email protected] <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tue Jan 30 21:37:27 2007 > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: videoronk & our cc licences > > Bill, I think that's exactly right. While there is a great deal of > education > that needs to occur around CC licensing, I'm not sure that's the issue at > play here. Videoronk is pulling videos from all over the place - they > certainly aren't all covered by CC. > > And frankly, I'm a little concerned about the slipperiness of this slope. > I > personally value CC licenses because they take into account the openness > of > the web. I want people to share my videos. If I have google ads on my blog > > and I embed one of your videos, am I violating your CC license? Are we > going > to move toward locking our videos down on our own sites and using DRM to > protect them? Blip can block these sites all day long and they're just > going > to keep popping up. > > I found my videos on Vidoeronk pulled in from the Revver feed. Because > they're syndicating the Revver player, the Revver ads are included and I'm > > making money. Or at least I would if I didn't work at Revver. :) Revver's > business model was built upon the understanding that videos would be > increasingly syndicated on the open web. We wanted to give creators a way > to > benefit from that. We still have a ways to go to improve our player so > that > attribution and linkbacks are automatically included. But at least in this > > scenario, Revver users are making money for their work. > > Speaking for myself, I'm personally OK with my videos being on Videoronk. > The ads at Videoronk aren't associated directly with my videos (at least > so > far). I think this example is very different than what happened with > MyHeavy. MyHeavy pulled videos into their own player and attached > advertising to the video - not on the page around the video. That was > clearly not ok. In this scenario, I'm not so sure I think my CC license is > > being violated (at least the noncommercial part of it). What is missing > from videoronk is attribution and linkbacks. Let's build those directly > into > the players. Let's attribute ourselves and provide urls directly in the > videos. Let's use the tool at our disposal to get what we want instead of > embarking on an endless goose chase to hunt down everyone pulling RSS > feeds. > We have to find ways to benefit from what happens naturally on the web > instead of trying to constantly battle it. > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/30/07, Bill Cammack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<BillCammack%40alum.mit.edu>> > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected] > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Gena" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > 3. For me, I have to consider switching to a traditional license. I > > > don't want to do that - I love the idea than some of the videos are > > > being used by non-profits for their purposes. > > > > > > There has got to be a license for what I am trying to do but on the > > > other hand I don't want inappropriate ads appearing next to some of my > > > > content. One of my posts is titled "Love Prosper" about Christian Hip > > > Hop performers. I get the willies just thinking about what kind of ads > > > > are going to latch on to that post. > > > > > > Not the best ideas but we gotta move from the theory to the practical. > > > > <sigh> I need chocolate. > > > > > > Gena > > > > > > http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com > > > http://pcclibtech.blogspot.com > > > http://voxmedia.org/wiki/Video > > > > Can you expand on that? What kind of license are you going to get > > that would make any difference to someone aggregating RSS feeds? > > > > It's not "Creative Commons" that's being disrespected. They're > > ignoring everything except the fact that you made a video and they can > > subscribe to your feed. > > > > Do you think they actually _watch_ the videos they aggregate to see if > > there's a licensing block at the end? Do you think, especially given > > the response you received in this case, that they would bother to > > remove each particular individual feed whose license they were > > disregarding? CC or Traditional? > > > > Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by "switching to a > > traditional license". > > > > -- > > Bill C. > > http://ReelSolid.TV > > > > > > > > > > -- > www.mickipedia.com > www.worldchanging.com > http://blog.revver.com > > NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency > > may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do > this without any judicial or legislative oversight. 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