On Jan 31, 2008 3:48 PM, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Agreed - a community needs to have a standard of practice in order to, > > well... practice! And CC seems to be the way to go. The hard part is this: > > videobloggers come in all different varieties. Some are posting thoughts > > and conversation-starters (sorta like text blogs). Others think of their > > posts > > more like an online version of a tv show. And then everything in-between. > > But to take the newspaper comparison further, the NY Times is fully > copyrighted...but you can still quote their text in your own work > without permission.
Ding. Ding. Ding. (pardon the bad rhetorical device, jay's words speaketh to me. :) Video has never been something accessible to the masses as a means of communication until very recently. (check out the history of the mass democratization of photography for parallels on how the video space will/is evolving) It would seem obvious that the ability to quote photographic, audio, and video communications for the sake of communicating in multimedia would have to happen. Oh... wait it already is... :) Despite abhorrent fair use law and all the draconian legislation in the world it's still happening. Youtube is widely censoring a lot of truly fair use material, but even more is getting through and an infinite amount of people beyond that are learning to not use youtube and use services that actually respect their users right to express themselves. Mass democratization is overwhelming lame bureaucratic crutches as always happens in such ages of enlightenment. One example that lands squarely on the issue is the tom cruise scientology video. Gawker reposted it after Youtube nixed it. The video is not a parody... though there plenty now. It's not a clip. It's an entire video. Many would say it's not protected under fair use at all... it may simply be copyright infringement. But are we to go around with our hands over our eyes about such dangerous cults (I say that having researched the matter heavily and really is that simple), to deny their evils because they happen in a privatized media space or private cyberspace? When increasingly all the public spaces are privately owned... malls in the real world, media companies in the media space, or linden labs / Second Life and web-services in cyberspace... parties could potentially claim ownership over any 'view" of themselves they don't like. Whether that view be expressed in photo, in video, or audio. Our right to fair use of media in the great media rich conversation is by proxy / by necessity radically being redefined. The truth is if said cult was successful in bringing down the main video on gawker, youtube and everywhere else... it would cause a thousand fold more innovative parody, and critical fair use videos.... and that's probably exactly how it's going to play out. In a way... it stimulates a certain kind of creativity. Barbara Striesand style. To be blunt... you speak of this issue of prohibition in a speakeasy... one of a thousand speakeasy's on the eve of prohibitions collapse. So! That said. There are plenty of ways to post video comments. Just as long as (1) the architecture is open enough for people to use a variety of services (including hand posting a video to their own vlog)... I don't see (2) the fair use thing being an issue that will stop it or even slow it down. Information wants to be free and all that junk. The key architecting and open enough system for posting them via multiple services and hosts, and even more importantly... really good systems for TRACKING them. There is also the one last thing (s) important simple, easy to use UI's... but I imagine the blip's and other host of the world will have no problem with this. It's the tracking that has changed over the last year or two. It's the huge innovations in tracking, tracking proof of concepts which has changed in the last year. Where once people were posting simple text comments on blogs without any way to track them / know if their was any response... there are now dozens of services like co.mments.com, techmeme, built in blog software "email me responses" checkboxes and other mechanisms... so that comments can evolve into true back / forth discussion instead of simply the equivalent of yelling into the wind... from a mountain top... One last comment regarding architecture. it's not necessary that comments be posted directly TO the comment box on a blog post. I personally feel that the best potential of all is to track and display the back and forth BETWEEN blogs /vlogs using permalink tracking. Joe vlogs --> Mary vlogs about Joe's post linking directly to Joe's vlog post --> Joe responds on his vlog linking to Mary's post. Then via various third party systems and track-back mechanisms this conversation becomes visible... trackable... and even RSS subscribe-able... sort of like a tag meme... but much more natural. All that's MISSING from this equation is the tracker to make this dialogue that's already happening visible. This is much more robust, more easily trackable and much more open then the alternative: Joe vlogs --> mary comments on Joe's post on his site --> joe replies to marry in his comments on his site... most people never see it. Both are equally valid and should be pursued... AND there's endless opportunity to intermix the two... i.e.. via track-backs. It all comes down to one thing. The biggest problem is not in making the comments.. . it's in tracking them. People will not talk if they don't get the feeling anyone can here them. It's the age old google problem. The problem isn't making the web page... there are billions... the problem is finding web pages. "It's not in the box, it's in the band." ...and all that jazz. (bad movie quote) Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog > So i think CC licenses is totally important...but can we have Fair Use > if video is being used for criticism, debate, or conversation? > > Jay > > > -- > http://jaydedman.com > 917 371 6790 > Professional: http://ryanishungry.com > Personal: http://momentshowing.net > Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ > Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman > RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9 > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
