Hello, For me, its even more than a good 30 seconds. ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, October 24, 2015 1:26 am Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing
> > > Well maybe it's because I'm using a iPhone 4S and an iPhone 5, or maybe > it's because I have so many messages in my in box, but it takes more > than a few seconds for VoiceOver to come back for me. It's closer to 20 > or 30 seconds. As I said, this seriously impacts my productivity. > > On 10/23/2015 10:33 AM, Scott Davert wrote: > > Hi Chris Chaltain. > > You shouldn't need to restart VoiceOver each time you reply to an > > email, you should be able to wait a few seconds and VoiceOver will > > come back. I will say that the 5S has a longer lag time than the 6S, > > but I hope that may help. > > I see no harm in letting people know of what bugs exist, whether you > > are talking about Apple, Google, or Microsoft. In fact, not informing > > someone of the shortcomings ahead of time is kind of doing them a > > disservice. > > > > Scott > > > > > > On 10/23/15, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > >> If you want to keep up-to-date on all that's new with Apple, I highly > >> recommend the Today in iOS Podcast. It is a weekly, a little more than one > >> hour Podcast and it's usually well worth the listen. If you want the news > >> in > >> a much shorter format without all the How-To questions and callers, then > >> check out the "Apple Bite" Podcast, it's only 5 or so minutes and > >> highlights > >> the most important announcements. You can find both in your favourite > >> Podcast client and both would mention any new betas which came out as well > >> as when any new products go on sale like the fourth generation Apple TV > >> which will be available to preorder next Monday and it will start shipping > >> next Thursday. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Sieghard > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> Sieghard > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > >> Of Rajmund > >> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 7:50 PM > >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com > >> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing > >> > >> Hello Mark, > >> Thanks much for checking into it for me; its appreciated. :) Although, the > >> new release can't be that bad, there's only one new bug, and quite a few > >> less, really. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> > >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com > >> Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:50 am > >> Subject: RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hello Rajmund, > >>> > >>> I don't think it a breach of any protocol to let you know that, I just > >>> checked the beta site and there has been no future beta posted, yet. > >>> > >>> Mark > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > >>> Behalf Of Rajmund > >>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:40 AM > >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com > >>> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing > >>> > >>> Hello, > >>> I know people can't speak about it, and I don't expect them to, either. > >>> But is the new IOS version in beta, already, or not quite yet? > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Woody Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net> > >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com > >>> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:10 pm > >>> Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> hi, > >>>> > >>>> I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple > >>>> doesn't get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the > >>>> degree of feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs > >>>> they have fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time > >>>> period between WWDC in June and iPhone releases in September, as I think > >>>> the current timeline is incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for > >>>> them to fix everything. But Apple is definitely trying, most of the bugs > >>>> this year affected fewer users than last year's bugs, and they've fixed > >>>> a lot of bugs since iOS 9 was released, including crucial ones like > >>>> answering the phone and the focus issues. So I think they're doing > >>>> reasonably well overall. > >>>> > >>>> Best, > >>>> Anna > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Everyone, > >>>>> Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X > >>>>> last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and > >>>>> a number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from > >>>>> everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work. > >>>>> Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the > >>>>> masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There > >>>>> are things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that > >>>>> the focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I > >>>>> can't live with. > >>>>> Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I > >>>>> press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the > >>>>> screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a > >>>>> thought, look at another clock or watch if I really want to know > >>>>> what time it is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many > >>>>> bugs and no one else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, > >>>>> JAWS, any screen reader or assistive software, or any other widely > >>>>> used mainstream software. All major releases has bugs to some > >>>>> degree. If we waited for the software companies to fix the bugs > >>>>> before they released the software, we would be waiting forever for > >>>>> that next big thing. > >>>>> > >>>>> Wayne > >>>>> > >>>>> On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if > >>>>>> Apple doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, > >>>>>> but that will be a conscious decision made by Apple and their > >>>>>> developers. > >>>>>> Your target isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you > >>>>>> weren't going to do something because of a negative reaction by a > >>>>>> minority of members on this list or in any community then you'd never > >>>>>> do anything. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that > >>>>>> doesn't mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, > >>>>>> but with IOS 9, answering phone calls with a headset on and > >>>>>> responding to emails is so bad it makes the phone virtually > >>>>>> unusable for two tasks I've come to depend on my iPhone for. > >>>>>> IMHO, there's too much judgment on this list about the impacts > >>>>>> certain bugs have on different users. We all don't use our phones > >>>>>> the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment on another user because > >>>>>> they're more impacted by a bug than we are. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways > >>>>>> to go before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom > >>>>>> Scientific has gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I > >>>>>> don't see the fan boyism for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the > >>>>>> blindness community. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>> Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter > >>>>>>> what we as beta testers might say? For every release there has > >>>>>>> been and probably will be a tsunami of negativity and > >>>>>>> complaining and even if what has been complained about would be > >>>>>>> fixed to perfection they complain about the fixes. Either it's > >>>>>>> too bloody late or there's too little or too much of everything. > >>>>>>> I'm the type of guy who upgrades every app and every Os to see > >>>>>>> what features are there and if there are bugs, well shrug, > >>>>>>> nobody's perfect. As i said before i think it's strange that > >>>>>>> Apple gets so many complaints about things that aren't even > >>>>>>> their fault like apps that are not upgraded and so don't work or > >>>>>>> such. In my time on Windows there wasn't anything like this > >>>>>>> complaining. Nobody ever said that "freedom scientific or GW > >>>>>>> Micro or Dolphin has abandoned us and don't give a fig about us". So > >>>>>>> are there bugs? Of course there probably are, no big chunk of code > >>>>>>> is ever bug free. Should we report them? > >>>>>> Yes politely and with enough info to make the folks aware of the > >>>>>> problem but i wonder if that's the case when i hear the tone here > >>>>>> and on other forums where blind folks and Apple are the common > >>>>>> denominator. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> /Krister > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 08:33 skrev M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu>: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hello Everyone, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I just want to let those of you, who are not beta testers, > >>>>>>>> know, is that with any company, be it Apple, Microsoft, Sony, > >>>>>>>> etc, reporting a problem, regardless of how important it may > >>>>>>>> appear to be to the tester, is not always addressed immediately > >>>>>>>> or, in some cases, ever. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> It has been my experience that the larger an organization > >>>>>>>> becomes, the less responsive, in terms of addressing > >>>>>>>> non-mission critical problems, it may appear to be to external > >>>>>>>> testers. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> All we, as beta testers can do, is to make the organization > >>>>>>>> aware of the problems and hope that it will manage to address > >>>>>>>> said problems in a future release. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> In my opinion, beta testing is a somewhat thankless job > >>>>>>>> because, when bugs get squashed, no one pays attention to them > >>>>>>>> or cares how or why they were resolved and when bugs remain, > >>>>>>>> people think that the testers are not testing well enough. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> To me, beta testing, not just for Apple but for any company is > >>>>>>>> my way of showing appreciation for those things in life which I > >>>>>>>> may now take for granted; things like clean drinking water, > >>>>>>>> electricity, personal liberties, talking ATM machines, > >>>>>>>> audio-described movies, screen readers, refreshable Braille > >>>>>>>> displays, smart phones, hearing aids, medicine, etc. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Beta testing is also my way of showing my respect for those > >>>>>>>> blind and low-vision pioneers who came before me and it is a > >>>>>>>> means by which I may, in some small part, leave a legacy to > >>>>>>>> those who will follow. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So, when a product is released with a number of bugs, please > >>>>>>>> try to keep in mind that were it not for beta testers, that > >>>>>>>> number would most likely be much higher. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Most Sincerely, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Mark > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the > >>>>>>>> VIPhone list. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this > >>>>>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, > >>>>>>>> please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than > >>>>>>>> posting on the list itself. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - 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