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----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 3:44 pm Subject: RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing > > > If you want to keep up-to-date on all that's new with Apple, I highly > recommend the Today in iOS Podcast. It is a weekly, a little more than one > hour Podcast and it's usually well worth the listen. If you want the news in > a much shorter format without all the How-To questions and callers, then > check out the "Apple Bite" Podcast, it's only 5 or so minutes and highlights > the most important announcements. You can find both in your favourite Podcast > client and both would mention any new betas which came out as well as when > any new products go on sale like the fourth generation Apple TV which will be > available to preorder next Monday and it will start shipping next Thursday. > > Regards, > Sieghard > > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Rajmund > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 7:50 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing > > Hello Mark, > Thanks much for checking into it for me; its appreciated. :) Although, the > new release can't be that bad, there's only one new bug, and quite a few > less, really. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M. Taylor <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:50 am > Subject: RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing > > > > > > > Hello Rajmund, > > > > I don't think it a breach of any protocol to let you know that, I just > > checked the beta site and there has been no future beta posted, yet. > > > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of Rajmund > > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:40 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing > > > > Hello, > > I know people can't speak about it, and I don't expect them to, either. > > But is the new IOS version in beta, already, or not quite yet? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Woody Anna Dresner <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:10 pm > > Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing > > > > > > > > > > > hi, > > > > > > I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple > > > doesn't get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the > > > degree of feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs > > > they have fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time period > > > between WWDC in June and iPhone releases in September, as I think the > > > current timeline is incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for them > > > to fix everything. But Apple is definitely trying, most of the bugs this > > > year affected fewer users than last year's bugs, and they've fixed a lot > > > of bugs since iOS 9 was released, including crucial ones like answering > > > the phone and the focus issues. So I think they're doing reasonably well > > > overall. > > > > > > Best, > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Everyone, > > > > Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X > > > > last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and > > > > a number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from > > > > everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work. > > > > Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the > > > > masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There > > > > are things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that > > > > the focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I > > > > can't live with. > > > > Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I > > > > press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the > > > > screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a > > > > thought, look at another clock or watch if I really want to know > > > > what time it is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many > > > > bugs and no one else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, > > > > JAWS, any screen reader or assistive software, or any other widely > > > > used mainstream software. All major releases has bugs to some > > > > degree. If we waited for the software companies to fix the bugs > > > > before they released the software, we would be waiting forever for that > > > > next big thing. > > > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if > > > >> Apple doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, > > > >> but that will be a conscious decision made by Apple and their > > > >> developers. > > > >> Your target isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you > > > >> weren't going to do something because of a negative reaction by a > > > >> minority of members on this list or in any community then you'd never > > > >> do anything. > > > >> > > > >> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that > > > >> doesn't mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, > > > >> but with IOS 9, answering phone calls with a headset on and > > > >> responding to emails is so bad it makes the phone virtually > > > >> unusable for two tasks I've come to depend on my iPhone for. > > > >> IMHO, there's too much judgment on this list about the impacts > > > >> certain bugs have on different users. We all don't use our phones > > > >> the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment on another user because > > > >> they're more impacted by a bug than we are. > > > >> > > > >> I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways > > > >> to go before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom > > > >> Scientific has gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I > > > >> don't see the fan boyism for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the > > > >> blindness community. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > > >>> Hi, > > > >>> Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter > > > >>> what we as beta testers might say? For every release there has > > > >>> been and probably will be a tsunami of negativity and > > > >>> complaining and even if what has been complained about would be > > > >>> fixed to perfection they complain about the fixes. Either it's > > > >>> too bloody late or there's too little or too much of everything. > > > >>> I'm the type of guy who upgrades every app and every Os to see > > > >>> what features are there and if there are bugs, well shrug, > > > >>> nobody's perfect. As i said before i think it's strange that > > > >>> Apple gets so many complaints about things that aren't even > > > >>> their fault like apps that are not upgraded and so don't work or > > > >>> such. In my time on Windows there wasn't anything like this > > > >>> complaining. Nobody ever said that "freedom scientific or GW > > > >>> Micro or Dolphin has abandoned us and don't give a fig about us". So > > > >>> are there bugs? Of course there probably are, no big chunk of code is > > > >>> ever bug free. Should we report them? > > > >> Yes politely and with enough info to make the folks aware of the > > > >> problem but i wonder if that's the case when i hear the tone here > > > >> and on other forums where blind folks and Apple are the common > > > >> denominator. > > > >>> > > > >>> /Krister > > > >>> > > > >>>> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 08:33 skrev M. Taylor <[email protected]>: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Hello Everyone, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I just want to let those of you, who are not beta testers, > > > >>>> know, is that with any company, be it Apple, Microsoft, Sony, > > > >>>> etc, reporting a problem, regardless of how important it may > > > >>>> appear to be to the tester, is not always addressed immediately > > > >>>> or, in some cases, ever. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> It has been my experience that the larger an organization > > > >>>> becomes, the less responsive, in terms of addressing > > > >>>> non-mission critical problems, it may appear to be to external > > > >>>> testers. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> All we, as beta testers can do, is to make the organization > > > >>>> aware of the problems and hope that it will manage to address > > > >>>> said problems in a future release. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> In my opinion, beta testing is a somewhat thankless job > > > >>>> because, when bugs get squashed, no one pays attention to them > > > >>>> or cares how or why they were resolved and when bugs remain, > > > >>>> people think that the testers are not testing well enough. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> To me, beta testing, not just for Apple but for any company is > > > >>>> my way of showing appreciation for those things in life which I > > > >>>> may now take for granted; things like clean drinking water, > > > >>>> electricity, personal liberties, talking ATM machines, > > > >>>> audio-described movies, screen readers, refreshable Braille > > > >>>> displays, smart phones, hearing aids, medicine, etc. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Beta testing is also my way of showing my respect for those > > > >>>> blind and low-vision pioneers who came before me and it is a > > > >>>> means by which I may, in some small part, leave a legacy to > > > >>>> those who will follow. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> So, when a product is released with a number of bugs, please > > > >>>> try to keep in mind that were it not for beta testers, that > > > >>>> number would most likely be much higher. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Most Sincerely, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Mark > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -- > > > >>>> The following information is important for all members of the > > > >>>> VIPhone list. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this > > > >>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, > > > >>>> please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting > > > >>>> on the list itself. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - 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