Hi. I don't have hearing problems and I'm not familiar with those who wear hearing aids, so know nothing about them. My question originates from a foundation of ignorance. Do modern hearing aids not have the capability to receive signals via Bluetooth? If this is so then would the headphone socket be redundant if those who use hearing aids could use the Bluetooth feature? I am of course referring here to general day-to-day tasks, not listening to music. Walter. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: 10 December 2015 19:29 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone seven rumors
Hi Scott, since this is a mainstream issue as well as an accessibility one, I've used the feedback form. In my view, it would be good to see AppleVis take an editorial position on something as significant to many of us as this, in the same way that Cult of mac has done, where they are opposing the jack's removal. I agree with you that a bunch of blind people won't stop this on their own, but it's an unpopular decision with many very loyal Apple fans, as the Apple fan sites have shown, so there is quite a coalition of concerned people forming. I for one was grateful to AppleVis for blowing the whistle on the inaccessible App Store a few iOS versions ago, and I believe it may not have been fixed before release if AppleVis hadn't done the right, brave thing and taken a public stand. This is another such time where it could help to make a difference. The jack has to go sometime, but hopefully, it can go at a point when the entire industry has agreed on a better standard. I certainly appreciate you organising to have AppleVis retweet the link to my blog post, and I'd be happy for AppleVis to use the text. I personally don't see much point in starting another discussion on another user forum, it's some sort of editorial post I was looking for. I believe at times like this, we all as a community need to pull together to work towards what's in our common interest. Thanks for taking the time to respond. I know you're a hearing aid user too and that you're concerned. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 11/12/2015, at 8:08 AM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com> wrote: Hello Jonathan. I cannot speak on behalf of AppleVis, as I'm not the site owner. That said, I can tell you that AppleVis has not traditionally taken a stance on any sort of rumors, since they're only that. The Campaign of the Month was designed to take in to account accessibility issues with apps and such, but they were things that have already happened, not based on a rumor that could come true this year, next year, or never. Do I think this will eventually happen? Yes I do. Do I think that we can stop a multi-million dollar corporation which has obviously been conceiving of this for years? No I do not. It's certainly good to email the Accessibility Team at Apple to share your concerns, as I've already done, and I'm sure you have. Finally, AppleVis is a community driven website, which means you have the option of posting your thoughts to the forum. If AppleVis is failing in its duty, as you say, why not fix that by starting the discussion yourself? You can also contact supp...@applevis.com with any specific ideas like possibly reposting your blog without any advertising if you feel it's worth doing. Even a forum topic could help spread awareness if that's not something David, the site owner, will go for. Thanks for reading, Scott On 12/10/15, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote: Hi Scott, when it comes to Apple rumours, it's important to look at their source, and whether they have a track record of accuracy. We're seeing credible sources suggesting that Apple may be holding an event in March to launch the Apple Watch 2. Since the iPhone 6C if it eventuates would be using the same chips that are already being produced for iPhone 6s and 6s Plus, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that it will be launched then. If there is to be an iPhone 6c, Apple won't want it overshadowing the iPhone 7 announcements. Those phones will of course be the current screen sizes. As for the headphone jack issue and your comment that people are being bent out of shape about it, again it's important to consider how credible the source is. We know that Apple has been thinking about the issue because they patented their own proprietary headphone jack, and then they introduced specs for made for iPhone headphones that use the Lightning port. As you say, there is a pair of headphones with a Lightning connector in the Apple Store now. for 800 bucks. And the rumour has been deemed credible enough to have been commented on extensively by many respected technology news sites, including Cult of Mac, 9 to 5 Mac, Apple Insider, Beta News, CNet, and Mashable. Even CBS has picked it up. But there is one site remaining curiously and ominously silent. What I find deeply disappointing is that AppleVis has not said a thing about a topic which could have an enormous impact on the way blind people use their iPhones. It's not just hearing impaired people who will take a hit, but anyone who wants to use their iPhone with minimal latency and energy consumption, who appreciate being able to charge their phones while they also enjoy the privacy that the headphone jack affords. There is an important and unique use case here that Apple need to be made aware of before it's too late, and for AppleVis to remain silent when many other Apple blogs are speaking out is a gross dereliction of duty in my opinion. Why isn't this an AppleVis campaign of the month? Staying silent on such an important issue, when AppleVis could at least be encouraging users to complete the feedback form, is ostrich-like in the extreme. I think it's time users held AppleVis to account for its silence on this. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 11/12/2015, at 3:06 AM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com> wrote: February? I doubt that. When was the last time an iPhone wasn't released in the fall? I think, like with the headphone rumor, getting all bent out of shape is just not really going to help much. However, there could be more reason for the headphone rumor to becoming closer to a reality since Apple is now selling headphones with lightning connectors. SO while I doubt it'll happen next year, it's certainly not out of the rehlm of possibilities. I don't like the idea for a lot of reasons, one of them being that, just like the 1 port Mac, which is stupid imho, this will force me to carry around more crap if I need to use more than one port at a time. It also means more stuff to charge, shorter battery life on my phone, and the delay from VoiceOver. Maybe they'll just introduce the lack of a headphone plug on the 6C, assuming that rumor is going to come to pass, and see how it plays out. However, I'd say that the 5C was not a success, so they may not bother. Scott On 12/9/15, Marie <scribbl...@comcast.net> wrote: Actually I would love a smaller phone and if that particular rumor is true I will be thinking very much about upgrading to the 7. I like a phone which fits into the pocket on cargo pants when shopping, etc. so the larger phones just don't fit. And the less space I have to search around the screen for things the faster and more efficient I am. JMT. Marie -----Original Message----- From: Rajmund Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 9:30 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone seven rumors Hello, Yes, that was it. Glad we got it. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 12:28 pm Subject: Re: iPhone seven rumors Well, in your original post you said "Not just the size, but it does contribute. Price, and quality also contributes", and I'm not sure what you meant by this. At first I thought you meant that a smaller iPhone would be cheaper and of less quality, but now I'm thinking you mean that size, quality and price figure into your decision in buying a new phone. In your last post you said "not sure which part, you have taken" which also confuses me a bit, but I'm guessing you're saying you're not sure which part of your message I didn't understand. Either way, I think we're all good now. On 09/12/15 00:06, Rajmund wrote: Hello, If apple comes up with a smaller phone, I would want it. So not sure which part, you have taken as I'm worried about it. Clarify, please? ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 2:21 am Subject: Re: iPhone seven rumors First, I think the bending issue was much to do about nothing. I'm not sure I understand the rest of your message, but a smaller iPhone won't mean a low budget iPhone. If Apple does come out with a smaller iPhone, it'll still be a high quality top of the line smart phone. On 08/12/15 08:03, Rajmund wrote: Hello, One of the reasons of me not getting a 6 is the size. Not just the size, but it does contribute. Price, and quality also contributes. And I'm worried of it bending. It may not, but I'm worried about that, as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: terrie arnold <terrieiph...@me.com> To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 12:56 pm Subject: Re: iPhone seven rumors I have heard of them comming back out with a small iphone the size of the 5s , as I have heard that this size has been requested since the larger 6s came out. I heard this on a tech report on Fox and CNN , so what do all of you think about this , would you get a smaller phone , and thoes of you that are hanging on to the 5s, 4s and some of the 3gs My thoughts for today On Dec 8, 2015, at 12:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: Rob from the Today in iOS Podcast made a few good points in his latest episode where he of course talked about this. Firstly, he mentioned that this rumour has not surfaced for the first time, I think it did also come up 2 years ago. Secondly, he mentioned that that the iPod Touch is almost 1 mm thinner than the 6S or 6S Plus and it still has a 3.5mm headphone jack. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Monday, December 7, 2015 11:07 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone seven rumors Well, I have said before and will say again that I think it is a stupid idea to trade off one millimeter of thickness for the headphone jack. I do not want an adapter. I do not want to pay for it, nor do I want to lose it, which is almost inevitable. And then I would have to buy another one. I'm sure it won't be a two dollar item. And there's just no reason for it. 1 mm? Come on. If it were for some seriously good reason, OK. But 1 mm? This is just crazy. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Dec 7, 2015, at 10:44 AM, Chip Orange <lists3...@comcast.net> wrote: I suspect this is going to happen, and I really don't see any problem with buying an adapter for existing headphones to use to plug into the lightning port. Chip -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nicholasacosta...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 4:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iPhone seven rumors Sent from my iPhone hello, as you all may know you might have heard of some rumors claiming that the next iPhone will not have a headphone jack.. So, this might not be a good thing for Apple to do this. But, reports are also saying that they might use the lightning connector that you use to charge the iPhone to use it as a headphone jack. But, that means that in order for somebody's headphones to fit into that Jack, they will need to support a lightning connector for the headphones. I don't know what the companies will think about this change if it happens. Remember, if this rumor is true, please email Apple and tell them not to do this. Also, people might think that if there wasn't a headphone jack, we might still be able to use Bluetooth. But, this might not be what somebody else lights. Having a headphone jack is better. What will also happen to any Bluetooth speakers that people own? These speakers might have a headphone jack connected to them and might require that you plug i t into the headphone jack in order to use. I hope that Apple does not make this move because it might not do any good for them. The iPhone sales might go down. We would not want that to happen just because Apple made this change. Please remember, the iPhone 7 is still in the making and these are just rumors. As long as we tell Apple what we want, who knows, they might listen to us. But, we can't just keep quiet. We need to try. 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