Hi all. First, Jonathan: While I, myself, have done all I can to push the issue, AppleVis simply will not post something I don't think because of the reasons I outlined in my previous message. Understand the person who makes the final decisions on such matters is the site owner. While I am on the Editorial Team, and have some influence on the goings on of the site, the ultimate decision is not mine. I also sent an email to the hardware feedback form listed in your article, and hope this will make a difference. As I said in another email list, I think such an implementation would be fine if the technology were more advanced than what we currently have. To Rich and others regarding the haptic feedback and telling time, another rumor I saw awhile back was that developers would have access to the haptic engine in the next Watch OS, so perhaps this will be something we will see soon. In the mean time, there is currently a product in development that will ship in May of next year that promises to do this and more. I've seen a prototype of it, and it does look promising. They're also working on an iOS app that will work with the watch, though I have not had the chance to test that out. The developers were not even thinking of the deaf-blind population when they developed it, and I'm trying to change that. Anyway, if you want to read more, go to: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sunu-ultrasonic-wearable-to-heighten-perception#/ Sorry if the second part of my message came off as a comercial of sorts, I had not intended it to be that way.
Take care, Scott On 12/10/15, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com> wrote: > Yes, that is one reason I have not ever had a talking watch! Clocks I can > use in my home, sure, but when I am out and about I like being able to use a > Braille Watch to tell the time. > > So, maybe I might want an Apple watch soon, but I need some very compelling > reasons to actually make that purchase. So far, I don’t see the real > benefits. > > > > > > Rose Combs > > <mailto:roseco...@q.com> roseco...@q.com > > A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the > memory! > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Cristóbal > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:55 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: iPhone seven rumors > > > > The one reason why I’m not an Apple watch purchaser. > > For everything the device can do, not Being able to tell the time in a > discrete manner is an absolute deal breaker for me. > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Jonathan Mosen > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 12:06 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: iPhone seven rumors > > > > Hi Rich, if Apple could work their magic to give us a haptic way to tell the > time with Apple Watch, that would indeed be very cool. > > Jonathan Mosen > > Mosen Consulting > > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > > http://Mosen.org > > > > On 11/12/2015, at 9:01 AM, Paul Richard McGann <rkmcg...@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > > scott and jonathan, > > I remember seeing an article of usa today in my iphone. it is not ready > until the fall of 2016. it says something. > > somehow, I would like to see apple watch 2 being more accessible with > braille dddddddddddddddddddiay.I if we keep them posted (tapping on their > sers) and they should not forget about brialle acces > > scott, I did send suggestionnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn accessibility team to wrk on > vibration as I said some ppppppppppppppppppppodon't have good feelings, and > I encourage to increase trength volume to makmore feelings. few ties I > notice very soft ivationnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn can be esmissed out. > > third, I kee iphone watch more wateeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepof. > > scott, remember deafblind are not octopuses. we only have two hands, and we > nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnneomething to make eaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaio ke phone > ssssssssssssssssssssstingup for scanning. > > sincerely, > ricj > > > -----Original Message----- From: Scott Davert > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 2:08 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: iPhone seven rumors > > Hello Jonathan. > I cannot speak on behalf of AppleVis, as I'm not the site owner. That > said, I can tell you that AppleVis has not traditionally taken a > stance on any sort of rumors, since they're only that. The Campaign of > the Month was designed to take in to account accessibility issues with > apps and such, but they were things that have already happened, not > based on a rumor that could come true this year, next year, or never. > Do I think this will eventually happen? Yes I do. Do I think that we > can stop a multi-million dollar corporation which has obviously been > conceiving of this for years? No I do not. It's certainly good to > email the Accessibility Team at Apple to share your concerns, as I've > already done, and I'm sure you have. > Finally, AppleVis is a community driven website, which means you have > the option of posting your thoughts to the forum. If AppleVis is > failing in its duty, as you say, why not fix that by starting the > discussion yourself? You can also contact > supp...@applevis.com > with any specific ideas like possibly reposting your blog without any > advertising if you feel it's worth doing. Even a forum topic could > help spread awareness if that's not something David, the site owner, > will go for. > > Thanks for reading, > Scott > > On 12/10/15, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote: > > Hi Scott, when it comes to Apple rumours, it's important to look at their > source, and whether they have a track record of accuracy. We're seeing > credible sources suggesting that Apple may be holding an event in March to > launch the Apple Watch 2. Since the iPhone 6C if it eventuates would be > using the same chips that are already being produced for iPhone 6s and 6s > Plus, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that it will be launched > then. If there is to be an iPhone 6c, Apple won't want it overshadowing the > iPhone 7 announcements. Those phones will of course be the current screen > sizes. > As for the headphone jack issue and your comment that people are being bent > out of shape about it, again it's important to consider how credible the > source is. We know that Apple has been thinking about the issue because > they > patented their own proprietary headphone jack, and then they introduced > specs for made for iPhone headphones that use the Lightning port. As you > say, there is a pair of headphones with a Lightning connector in the Apple > Store now. for 800 bucks. And the rumour has been deemed credible enough to > have been commented on extensively by many respected technology news sites, > including Cult of Mac, 9 to 5 Mac, Apple Insider, Beta News, CNet, and > Mashable. Even CBS has picked it up. > But there is one site remaining curiously and ominously silent. What I find > deeply disappointing is that AppleVis has not said a thing about a topic > which could have an enormous impact on the way blind people use their > iPhones. It's not just hearing impaired people who will take a hit, but > anyone who wants to use their iPhone with minimal latency and energy > consumption, who appreciate being able to charge their phones while they > also enjoy the privacy that the headphone jack affords. There is an > important and unique use case here that Apple need to be made aware of > before it's too late, and for AppleVis to remain silent when many other > Apple blogs are speaking out is a gross dereliction of duty in my opinion. > Why isn't this an AppleVis campaign of the month? Staying silent on such an > important issue, when AppleVis could at least be encouraging users to > complete the feedback form, is ostrich-like in the extreme. I think it's > time users held AppleVis to account for its silence on this. > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org > > > > On 11/12/2015, at 3:06 AM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > February? I doubt that. When was the last time an iPhone wasn't > released in the fall? > I think, like with the headphone rumor, getting all bent out of shape > is just not really going to help much. However, there could be more > reason for the headphone rumor to becoming closer to a reality since > Apple is now selling headphones with lightning connectors. SO while I > doubt it'll happen next year, it's certainly not out of the rehlm of > possibilities. I don't like the idea for a lot of reasons, one of them > being that, just like the 1 port Mac, which is stupid imho, this will > force me to carry around more crap if I need to use more than one port > at a time. It also means more stuff to charge, shorter battery life on > my phone, and the delay from VoiceOver. Maybe they'll just introduce > the lack of a headphone plug on the 6C, assuming that rumor is going > to come to pass, and see how it plays out. However, I'd say that the > 5C was not a success, so they may not bother. > > Scott > > On 12/9/15, Marie <scribbl...@comcast.net> wrote: > > Actually I would love a smaller phone and if that particular rumor is > true I > > will be thinking very much about upgrading to the 7. I like a phone > which > fits into the pocket on cargo pants when shopping, etc. so the larger > phones > > just don't fit. And the less space I have to search around the screen > for > things the faster and more efficient I am. JMT. > Marie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rajmund > Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 9:30 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: iPhone seven rumors > > Hello, > Yes, that was it. Glad we got it. :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 12:28 pm > Subject: Re: iPhone seven rumors > > > > > > Well, in your original post you said "Not just the size, but it does > contribute. Price, and quality also contributes", and I'm not sure what > you meant by this. At first I thought you meant that a smaller iPhone > would be cheaper and of less quality, but now I'm thinking you mean > that > size, quality and price figure into your decision in buying a new > phone. > > In your last post you said "not sure which part, you have taken" which > also confuses me a bit, but I'm guessing you're saying you're not sure > which part of your message I didn't understand. > > Either way, I think we're all good now. > > On 09/12/15 00:06, Rajmund wrote: > > Hello, > If apple comes up with a smaller phone, I would want it. So not sure > which part, you have taken as I'm worried about it. Clarify, please? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 2:21 am > Subject: Re: iPhone seven rumors > > > > > > First, I think the bending issue was much to do about nothing. I'm > not > sure I understand the rest of your message, but a smaller iPhone > won't > mean a low budget iPhone. If Apple does come out with a smaller > iPhone, > it'll still be a high quality top of the line smart phone. > > On 08/12/15 08:03, Rajmund wrote: > > Hello, > One of the reasons of me not getting a 6 is the size. Not just the > size, but it does contribute. Price, and quality also contributes. > And > > I'm worried of it bending. It may not, but I'm worried about that, > as > > well. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: terrie arnold <terrieiph...@me.com> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 12:56 pm > Subject: Re: iPhone seven rumors > > > > > > I have heard of them comming back out with a small iphone the > size of the 5s , as I have heard that this size has been > requested since the larger 6s came out. I heard this on a > tech > > report on Fox and CNN > , so what do all of you think about this , would you get a > smaller phone , and thoes of you that are hanging on to the > 5s, > > 4s and some of the 3gs > > My thoughts for today > > > > On Dec 8, 2015, at 12:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> > wrote: > > Rob from the Today in iOS Podcast made a few good points in his > latest episode where he of course talked about this. Firstly, he > mentioned that this rumour has not surfaced for the first time, I > think it did also come up 2 years ago. Secondly, he mentioned that > that the iPod Touch is almost 1 mm thinner than the 6S or 6S Plus > and it still has a 3.5mm headphone jack. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] > On > > Behalf Of Mary Otten > Sent: Monday, December 7, 2015 11:07 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: iPhone seven rumors > > > Well, I have said before and will say again that I think it is a > stupid idea to trade off one millimeter of thickness for the > headphone jack. I do not want an adapter. I do not want to pay for > it, nor do I want to lose it, which is almost inevitable. And then > I > > would have to buy another one. I'm sure it won't be a two dollar > item. And there's just no reason for it. 1 mm? Come on. If it were > for some seriously good reason, OK. But 1 mm? This is just crazy. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Dec 7, 2015, at 10:44 AM, Chip Orange <lists3...@comcast.net> > wrote: > > I suspect this is going to happen, and I really don't see any > problem with buying an adapter for existing headphones to use to > plug into the lightning port. > > Chip > > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] > On > > Behalf Of nicholasacosta...@gmail.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 4:49 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: iPhone seven rumors > > > > Sent from my iPhone hello, as you all may know you might have > heard > > of some rumors claiming that the next iPhone will not have a > headphone jack.. So, this might not be a good thing for Apple to > do > > this. But, reports are also saying that they might use the > lightning connector that you use to charge the iPhone to use it > as > > a headphone jack. But, that means that in order for somebody's > headphones to fit into that Jack, they will need to support a > lightning connector for the headphones. I don't know what the > companies will think about this change if it happens. Remember, > if > > this rumor is true, please email Apple and tell them not to do > this. Also, people might think that if there wasn't a headphone > jack, we might still be able to use Bluetooth. But, this might > not > > be what somebody else lights. Having a headphone jack is better. > What will also happen to any Bluetooth speakers that people own? > These speakers might have a headphone jack connected to them and > might require that you plug > > i > > t into the headphone jack in order to use. I hope that Apple does not > make this move because it might not do any good for them. The iPhone > sales might go down. We would not want that to happen just because > Apple made this change. Please remember, the iPhone 7 is still in the > making and these are just rumors. As long as we tell Apple what we > want, who knows, they might listen to us. But, we can't just keep > quiet. 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