Hi, It’s an alternative i have considered but i want to learn to scan on free hand in case i need it someplace. /Krister
> 3 juli 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Gordan Radić <razbij...@gmail.com>: > > Hi, Krister, > why don't you try with some kind of phone stand? You can get Fopydo for > iPhone for about 20 bucks shipping included. > With this, you simply lay the phone in the stand, set it to apropriate height > suggested in the user manual and put whatever you need to OCR below. This > could permanently solve problems you're having. > > S poštovanjem > Gordan Radić <mailto://gordan.ra...@gmail.com> > <nemoviz_animated.gif> <http://www.nemoviz.org/> > <email.png> <mailto://i...@nemoviz.org> <facebook.png> > <http://www.facebook.com/nemoviz> <twitter.png> > <http://www.twitter.com/nemoviz2014> > 3.7.2016. u 13:09, Krister Ekstrom je napisao/la: >> Do you mean per session or for all the time i have had the app? If the >> later, i think i've tried for well over a year and dosens of times per >> session and still having the same results and since about everyone else >> seems to manage extremely well almost from day one, it leads me to believe >> as i say that it's me who's stupid and not the app that is. As i say, i am >> still looking for a miracle, something tthat will make my stupid old brain >> click but as things stand now i must admit i've more or less given up. >> /Krister >> >> >> Skickat från min iPhone >> >>> 3 juli 2016 kl. 12:50 skrev Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> >>> <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>: >>> >>> Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of >>> measuring at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind >>> people but to me, centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything. >>> I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update >>> where corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no >>> longer can get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time >>> practicing with me so that's where it stands. >>> /Krister >>> >>> Skickat från min iPhone >>> >>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> >>>> <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>: >>>> >>>> Hi Krister, >>>> >>>> I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across >>>> this way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was >>>> simply responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the list >>>> regarding this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to >>>> explain what they do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal >>>> and certain tasks are very difficult for some people. When I was at the >>>> German Secondary High School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in >>>> my class had such poor O&M skills that she would get turned around in a 6 >>>> foot (2 meter) wide corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and >>>> hours of O&M training but simply had no sense of direction or special >>>> awareness and it is hard for me to even imagine how this can be since my >>>> sense of direction, balance and special awareness is extremely good. Of >>>> course I had perfect sight for the first almost 17 years of my life and >>>> was a competitive gymnast, horseback rider and recr >>>> eational skier so balance is just not an issue for me and even now that I >>>> am 49 I rarely hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of course when I >>>> do hurt myself it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years ago *smile*. >>>> Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it >>>> difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to >>>> do it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Sieghard >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On >>>> Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>> Subject: Re: KNFB reader >>>> >>>> Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't >>>> understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my >>>> fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not >>>> say another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in the >>>> least bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too dumb to >>>> understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve all the >>>> flaming i'll get. >>>> /Krister >>>> >>>> >>>> Skickat från min iPhone >>>> >>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> >>>>> <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>: >>>>> >>>>> But how will this affect the placement of the paper? >>>>> /Krister >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Skickat från min iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne <ann...@sbcglobal.net> >>>>>> <mailto:ann...@sbcglobal.net>: >>>>>> >>>>>> Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, >>>>>> hold the phone in your hand and take the picture. >>>>>> At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote: >>>>>>> I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it >>>>>>> free hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit. >>>>>>> Thanks for the info >>>>>>> /Krister >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Skickat frÃ¥n min iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >>>>>>>> <<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Krista, >>>>>>>> Did you ever get a stand to use with the OCR apps? I know this isn't >>>>>>>> the same as taking a picture on the fly, and I would be very happy to >>>>>>>> try again explaining how I do that. but a stand is a surefire way of >>>>>>>> getting good results. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Krista, when you say you never got any help from the list, I have to >>>>>>>> say that I know I have exchanged many emails with you in the past on >>>>>>>> this subject. so too have others. I do know that for many people using >>>>>>>> the camera with the phone is a difficult one. however, I could not >>>>>>>> agree that it is impossible for people who don't see it all because >>>>>>>> many of us do you have success. I am sure we would all share out tips >>>>>>>> and tricks with you. but, from personal experience, having someone >>>>>>>> with you who can see what you are doing is a very good way to get >>>>>>>> started. also, when I first started out with Prismo, I hat to practice >>>>>>>> like mad before it worked for me. perhaps, this is why the KNFB reader >>>>>>>> just worked out of the box in my case. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> feel free to ask for ideas, >>>>>>>> Sandy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 12:17, Krister Ekstrom >>>>>>>>> <<mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>kris...@kristersplace.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv >>>>>>>>> reader. I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the >>>>>>>>> hell i do wrong vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I >>>>>>>>> have asked on this list and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten >>>>>>>>> any so now i rely entirely on sighted help for reading text. >>>>>>>>> /Krister >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Skickat frÃ¥n min iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Gordon, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both she >>>>>>>>>> and I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back, >>>>>>>>>> using the old 4 phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but >>>>>>>>>> we did get some results which would, at the very least, give one a >>>>>>>>>> good over-view of what was on the paper. When the KNFB app came out, >>>>>>>>>> or rather, when the hype leading up to its coming out, was at its >>>>>>>>>> hottest and they said "we won't be charging a lot for it", only to >>>>>>>>>> then announce that it would cost a wacking 100 Dollars, I decided I >>>>>>>>>> would never buy it, seeing it as one more example of the "rip-off" >>>>>>>>>> of the adaptive market. However, within a day or so of its appearing >>>>>>>>>> on the app store, I read sufch glowing reports of the app that I >>>>>>>>>> swallowed my pride and bought it. I have found it to be truly >>>>>>>>>> liberating! True, in those days I could see enough to tell if the >>>>>>>>>> targeted sheet was roughly on the screen, which helped emensely! but >>>>>>>>>> now, and for the last 2 years, I have had no sight at all, no >>>>>>>>>> t even light, which used to be so useful in gaging the right >>>>>>>>>> ambience for taking shots, I am within 5 percent of my earlier >>>>>>>>>> success. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a >>>>>>>>>> sitting position, just raising one hand, not making any special >>>>>>>>>> effort, (not choosing to make too much of an exhibition of >>>>>>>>>> myself) of menus and have splendid success! I always am the one >>>>>>>>>> to check the post, before my other half, this used to drive him >>>>>>>>>> mad when I was using Prizmo, because it took quite a while to get >>>>>>>>>> results, but now, the the KNFB app, I am as quick as him putting >>>>>>>>>> on his reading glasses! Once the envelope is opened, KNFB is >>>>>>>>>> faster than he is at reading it for me (and often more >>>>>>>>>> accurate!!) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I do agree with Anne, it may well help some of us, who have seen >>>>>>>>>> before, having an instinctive awareness of the requirements of the >>>>>>>>>> camera, but this isn't true of everyone, people, here on this list, >>>>>>>>>> have achieved equal results, having never seen! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Finally, for those who just have disappointing results, I wish I >>>>>>>>>> could give them some one to one tips, but I think it might be >>>>>>>>>> necessary to be actually present. Because, I reckon there are tricks >>>>>>>>>> a methods which one can follow and which don't need judgement or too >>>>>>>>>> much spacial awareness. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just my twopence worth. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sandy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson >>>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:annefromo...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:annefromo...@gmail.com>annefromo...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:annefromo...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have >>>>>>>>>>> had very good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with >>>>>>>>>>> KNFBReader and I’m totally blind. I think what makes the >>>>>>>>>>> difference is whether we have good spacial awareness or not. I was >>>>>>>>>>> able to see perfectly as a young child, and although I’ve seen >>>>>>>>>>> nothing at all for around 55 years, my visual memory is good. This >>>>>>>>>>> helps me understand how to use apps with the camera. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Anne >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić >>>>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:razbij...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:razbij...@gmail.com>razbij...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:razbij...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind >>>>>>>>>>>> people acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a >>>>>>>>>>>> ferrytale to me. >>>>>>>>>>>> I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and >>>>>>>>>>>> Textgrabber but those were third or fourth shots in both apps. >>>>>>>>>>>> Giving hundreed bucks for KNFB Reader just to get some partial >>>>>>>>>>>> results is too much for me; fortunately, Textgrabber went free and >>>>>>>>>>>> now has in-app purchases for translations. >>>>>>>>>>>> Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else >>>>>>>>>>>> there's no purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble >>>>>>>>>>>> opinion. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> S poštovanjem >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto://gordan.ra...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto://gordan.ra...@gmail.com>Gordan Radić >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.nemoviz.org/> >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.nemoviz.org/><nemoviz_animated.gif> >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto://i...@nemoviz.org> <mailto://i...@nemoviz.org><email.png> >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/nemoviz> >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/nemoviz><facebook.p ng> >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/nemoviz2014> >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/nemoviz2014><twitter.png> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed >>>>>>>>>>>>> page, one or two partial lines of text would be read aloud, >>>>>>>>>>>>> generally in incomplete form. I sought sighted assistance to make >>>>>>>>>>>>> sure that I was in fact aligning the camera and the document >>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly and was told that the image was in fact being displayed >>>>>>>>>>>>> on the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader side by side >>>>>>>>>>>>> with two documents, again with sighted assistance,and KNFB >>>>>>>>>>>>> performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only read a couple lines >>>>>>>>>>>>> of garbled text. Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB Reader >>>>>>>>>>>>> also, but in my case I know that’s because I have difficulty >>>>>>>>>>>>> aligning the camera with the page perfectly. I don’t think >>>>>>>>>>>>> there’s any question that you’ll get better results with KNFB >>>>>>>>>>>>> Reader though. For live text recognition, Talking Goggles does a >>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable enough job so at least youà >>>>>>>>>>>>> �€™ll know what document you’re holding. It requires an >>>>>>>>>>>>> internet connection to work, but there’s a free, ad-supported >>>>>>>>>>>>> version. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes >>>>>>>>>>>>> Store and reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but >>>>>>>>>>>>> I wasn’t offered a refund. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Grant >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:jsoro...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:jsoro...@gmail.com>jsoro...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:jsoro...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reader? The real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price tag gives one pause. I don't mind the investment >>>>>>>>>>>>>> though if people can show it's an effective app. I'm an idiot >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader app work wel for me, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user error. 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