Pablo, I agree. also, you can, as I did, pay with your wallet. No, not the wallet app, lol. I bought an android phone, and a new version of Talkback is already out, fixing bugs and adding features. I'd much rather be a part of something that at least moves forward, rather tan stands still.
On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 2:15 PM Pablo C. Morales <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Sieghard > > I think that you haven’t read the whole threads in the last days. I said > so because you are replying this email without knowledge of why I am > posting this email. I recommend that you check about it in the last 2 > days. Yes it is an IOs list, however it doesn’t mean that we cannot say > that apple is doing a bad job regarding software updates, and specially > fixing the problems that their software team are creating each IOs update. > Mario is right when he says that apple has to be more responsible with > their customers. I said something similar months ago, when I complained > about the usability of our phones and the time that apple takes to fix > bugs, and sometimes they just ignore the bugs and release new IOs, with > more bugs. Obviously Sieghard your attitude shows a strong position in > favor of apple, and you feel like ignoring what is wrong. Your attitude is > no helping the blind community, your attitude defending apple when they are > no fixing the bugs is going to fix apple in the future. Your attitude is > hurting the accessibility and hurting apple too. You are defending a > company that in the past had a very good attitude with the software and > with the bugs unrepaired of software. You are defending them when they are > no doing a good job. I posted those links, no talking about android or > blackberry, those web pages are talking about the same point that we have > been talking in the list these las 2 days. Bugs, and bad quality of > software. The android developers are going to fix those problems? > > No, you know that they are not going to do it. Apple is going to fix this > problems? > > Obviously they are no putting a lot of interest fixing these problems, > they are more concern in the releases of new fancy IOs, than fixing the > bugs of those new fancy releases. > > Who is going to fix these problems? > > We, their customers. We need to call, we need to write, we need to do a > lot of noise because we are paying their checks with the products that we > are buying. It is how market works. > > In the last emails I have said, several times that liking or not. > Voiceover is the best choice for us. I am not saying that android > accessibility is better, no I didn’t said that. Read those emails and you > will see what is my position about it. I am not saying that Mario and many > others are wrong, no. They are right, apple is no doing a good job with the > software. But it doesn’t mean that I am saying that apple bs, as you said. > > I don’t use that vocabulary, I am not accustomed to do that. > > However, saying that apple is great, and keeping your attitude of just > highlight the good things, are not going to improve the quality of apple > software. Calling, writing, making noise is what is going to improve the > software quality. I rather to write, to call, to make noise. I rather to > complain to apple about their low quality. Because I am living in The > United States where I have the right to complain about this kind of things > when I paid for that. I am using my right. More over this right improves > quality and it is what apple and customer’s needs. No just saying that > whoever said something that you don’t like about apple, are wrong. > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 14, 2016 10:12 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet > > > > Pablo and others, > > > > You can find bunches of articles on anything on Google. I could send you > 50 links of articles which praise Apple and iOS to high heaven, then I can > send you just as many that are the complete opposite and the same applies > to Google/Android. I can probably even find you some die-hard Blackberry > fans who are posting that Blackberry is the best ever and both iOS and > Android are complete BS. I don't think we have to get into what is better > or if iOS is any good or anything like that. The point is that this is an > iOS list, we are all here because we use iOS devices due to their very good > level of accessibility. We all know there are bugs and that there always > will be bugs. We all know that Apple with iOS, Mac OS, TVOS and Watch OS > don't have an exclusive on them, Android has them, Windows has them, Google > Chrome has them and other software like Jaws, Office, Adobe, Firefox they > all have bugs as do all apps. > > This list is and should be about helping each other, answering each others > questions and posting articles about some particularly cool app or > accessory. The list is also about posting about bugs you discover or think > you have discovered, sure you can point out your thoughts that Apple should > do more or that Apple really should have fixed this or that bug already or > during the Beta cycle, but I think these rants which then result in endless > one-liners about how somebody is right or wrong or should go and get an > Android phone if they aren't happy with the iPhone are just getting old, > they usually just rephrase what has already been said a dozen times over. > As you know very well yourself Android isn't all it's made out to be and > while you say you totally would have an Android phone if you could see > there are also thousands of ex-Android users who can see and who love their > new iPhones after making the switch. Then of course there are those "happy" > Android users who bought Samsung's new flagship Note 7 only to be surprised > when the smoke hit the fan, if this had happened to the iPhone 7 Apple > would have been *crucified and in a much worse way than Samsung.* > > Headlines like your ssubject "Apple has a serious problem with software > quality" are typical link bait, you can go on Google and find lots of > examples for either one, here is just one example that swings the other way > from Forbes: "New Android Malware Strikes At Millions Of Smartphones". > > Sometimes you even find something that is more objective like the summary > of this comparison article: > > iOS 10 vs Android 7.0 Nougat: Conclusion. > > In many respects, Android and iOS are very similar. They're both slick, > refined, competent mobile operating systems. Each has its advantages and > unique features, as well as frustrations and weaknesses. > > > > > > Regards, > > Sieghard > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Pablo C. Morales > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 14, 2016 4:42 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet > > > > Look at this article, you can find bunches of them on > google. > > > http://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-has-a-serious-problem-with-software-quality/ > > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at [email protected] > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at [email protected] > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at [email protected] > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Devin Prater [email protected] -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. 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