Mister Ed.
Could you please show in the list, publicly in which email I am saying
that I am being discriminated or segregated due to my race?
Also, could you show in the list, publicly in which email about this
topic, I am not saying that we need to do is complain to apple, call
and send emails to them?
Mister Ed, you need to be so careful with your answers, because you
are showing that you didn’t read my emails, and you are just
generalizing putting Mario and Me in the same box, it is very similar
than segregation, and obviously you are doing that due to our race. In
any email I didn’t say that anybody is discriminating me, or that I
feel that someone is segregating me because of my race, it is
something that you are saying, no me. In all emails about this topic,
I have saying over and over that we need to write to apple, we need
to call and complain about it.
About Sieghard, what I am saying that he always has showed a strong
attitude in pro of apple, minimizing the IOs bugs, he always pretends
to reduce the noise that people makes about the apple bugs. Again,
what he is doing is against the accessibility. Against apple, and
against himself. If we start to minimize the noise of people that is
complaining about the IOs bugs, it will not fix the problem. He said
that we need to complain to apple, and stop complaining in the list.
No, it is no positive for us. I said that we need to complain, here
and everywhere, about this bugs. It is the way how apple will pay
attention to these problems. Obviously apple is no so worry about
fixing bugs, obviously apple has les interest fixing voice over bugs.
You and everybody here know that we have bunches of bugs in voice over
for years, and apple never fixed them. It shows lack of interest.
Why they have lack of interest?
Because we have people saying that all IOs have bugs, that don’t
worry, it is an isolated problem, that this and that. Reducing the
noise of people who is being affected for these bugs.
I think that Sieghard is doing good asking the people to write to
apple, he is doing good asking to complain directly to apple. But we
need to make these problems public in the list, we need to make these
problems visible to the whole community.
Mister Ed, please be so careful with the answers that you are writing.
Also I suggest that you read the emails before generalize about this.
Respectfully,
didn’t
*From:*[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On
Behalf Of *Mr. Ed
*Sent:* Friday, December 16, 2016 12:15 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet
Hi Mario and Pablo,
Neither one of you are being discriminated on this group. This has
nothing to do with race of any kind. Sieghard was just pointing out
that all smart phones have their issues. He did not say Apple was the
best. He was just trying to say that all software’s have glitches. As
for Sieghard he is the first one to send an email to Apple support if
he finds an issue. He also advises everyone else if they have an issue
with Apple to contact tech support. That is all he meant by his
email. I think one issue you guys do not understand is to just contact
Apple when there is an issue and not to keep whining about it over and
over and over on the list. It’s ok to mention it and see if anyone
else is having the same issue. So get off your high horses and don’t
be throwing out the race card.
Mr. Ed
*From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mário Gabriel
*Sent:* Friday, December 16, 2016 5:34 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet
Wow, Pablo.
I make mine, your words.
Some American people do not admit or like to hear the truth.
They always discriminate the intelligence of those who are not
American ...
And that's why in the past you were discriminated and insulted in this
group.
I was here at that time and I heard all the bad things about you.
I am also discriminated in this group, and this will never change.
They always want to be right and do not admit that non-Americans have
an opinion and are above them ...
But I always say what I think, because I am free and I have my rights.
If they treat me badly, I treat them badly.
If they treat me well, I treat them well.
cheers.
Às 20:15 de 15/12/2016, Pablo C. Morales escreveu:
Hi Sieghard
I think that you haven’t read the whole threads in the last days.
I said so because you are replying this email without knowledge of
why I am posting this email. I recommend that you check about it
in the last 2 days. Yes it is an IOs list, however it doesn’t
mean that we cannot say that apple is doing a bad job regarding
software updates, and specially fixing the problems that their
software team are creating each IOs update. Mario is right when he
says that apple has to be more responsible with their customers. I
said something similar months ago, when I complained about the
usability of our phones and the time that apple takes to fix bugs,
and sometimes they just ignore the bugs and release new IOs, with
more bugs. Obviously Sieghard your attitude shows a strong
position in favor of apple, and you feel like ignoring what is
wrong. Your attitude is no helping the blind community, your
attitude defending apple when they are no fixing the bugs is going
to fix apple in the future. Your attitude is hurting the
accessibility and hurting apple too. You are defending a company
that in the past had a very good attitude with the software and
with the bugs unrepaired of software. You are defending them when
they are no doing a good job. I posted those links, no talking
about android or blackberry, those web pages are talking about the
same point that we have been talking in the list these las 2 days.
Bugs, and bad quality of software. The android developers are
going to fix those problems?
No, you know that they are not going to do it. Apple is going to
fix this problems?
Obviously they are no putting a lot of interest fixing these
problems, they are more concern in the releases of new fancy IOs,
than fixing the bugs of those new fancy releases.
Who is going to fix these problems?
We, their customers. We need to call, we need to write, we need to
do a lot of noise because we are paying their checks with the
products that we are buying. It is how market works.
In the last emails I have said, several times that liking or not.
Voiceover is the best choice for us. I am not saying that android
accessibility is better, no I didn’t said that. Read those emails
and you will see what is my position about it. I am not saying
that Mario and many others are wrong, no. They are right, apple is
no doing a good job with the software. But it doesn’t mean that I
am saying that apple bs, as you said.
I don’t use that vocabulary, I am not accustomed to do that.
However, saying that apple is great, and keeping your attitude of
just highlight the good things, are not going to improve the
quality of apple software. Calling, writing, making noise is what
is going to improve the software quality. I rather to write, to
call, to make noise. I rather to complain to apple about their low
quality. Because I am living in The United States where I have the
right to complain about this kind of things when I paid for that.
I am using my right. More over this right improves quality and it
is what apple and customer’s needs. No just saying that whoever
said something that you don’t like about apple, are wrong.
*From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 14, 2016 10:12 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality |
ZDNet
Pablo and others,
You can find bunches of articles on anything on Google. I could
send you 50 links of articles which praise Apple and iOS to high
heaven, then I can send you just as many that are the complete
opposite and the same applies to Google/Android. I can probably
even find you some die-hard Blackberry fans who are posting that
Blackberry is the best ever and both iOS and Android are complete
BS. I don't think we have to get into what is better or if iOS is
any good or anything like that. The point is that this is an iOS
list, we are all here because we use iOS devices due to their very
good level of accessibility. We all know there are bugs and that
there always will be bugs. We all know that Apple with iOS, Mac
OS, TVOS and Watch OS don't have an exclusive on them, Android has
them, Windows has them, Google Chrome has them and other software
like Jaws, Office, Adobe, Firefox they all have bugs as do all apps.
This list is and should be about helping each other, answering
each others questions and posting articles about some particularly
cool app or accessory. The list is also about posting about bugs
you discover or think you have discovered, sure you can point out
your thoughts that Apple should do more or that Apple really
should have fixed this or that bug already or during the Beta
cycle, but I think these rants which then result in endless
one-liners about how somebody is right or wrong or should go and
get an Android phone if they aren't happy with the iPhone are just
getting old, they usually just rephrase what has already been said
a dozen times over. As you know very well yourself Android isn't
all it's made out to be and while you say you totally would have
an Android phone if you could see there are also thousands of
ex-Android users who can see and who love their new iPhones after
making the switch. Then of course there are those "happy" Android
users who bought Samsung's new flagship Note 7 only to be
surprised when the smoke hit the fan, if this had happened to the
iPhone 7 Apple would have been /crucified and in a much worse way
than Samsung./
Headlines like your ssubject "Apple has a serious problem with
software quality" are typical link bait, you can go on Google and
find lots of examples for either one, here is just one example
that swings the other way from Forbes: "New Android Malware
Strikes At Millions Of Smartphones".
Sometimes you even find something that is more objective like the
summary of this comparison article:
iOS 10 vs Android 7.0 Nougat: Conclusion.
In many respects, Android and iOS are very similar. They're both
slick, refined, competent mobile operating systems. Each has its
advantages and unique features, as well as frustrations and
weaknesses.
Regards,
Sieghard
*From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Pablo C. Morales
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 14, 2016 4:42 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet
Look at this article, you can find bunches of them
on google.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-has-a-serious-problem-with-software-quality/
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