Thank you for that reply I've been waiting a while before I said something really appreciate it very true.
Peggy Sent from my IPhone. > On Dec 16, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Mr. Ed <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Mario and Pablo, > Neither one of you are being discriminated on this group. This has nothing to > do with race of any kind. Sieghard was just pointing out that all smart > phones have their issues. He did not say Apple was the best. He was just > trying to say that all software’s have glitches. As for Sieghard he is the > first one to send an email to Apple support if he finds an issue. He also > advises everyone else if they have an issue with Apple to contact tech > support. That is all he meant by his email. I think one issue you guys do > not understand is to just contact Apple when there is an issue and not to > keep whining about it over and over and over on the list. It’s ok to mention > it and see if anyone else is having the same issue. So get off your high > horses and don’t be throwing out the race card. > Mr. Ed > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Mário Gabriel > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 5:34 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet > > > > > > > Wow, Pablo. > I make mine, your words. > Some American people do not admit or like to hear the truth. > They always discriminate the intelligence of those who are not American ... > And that's why in the past you were discriminated and insulted in this group. > I was here at that time and I heard all the bad things about you. > I am also discriminated in this group, and this will never change. > They always want to be right and do not admit that non-Americans have an > opinion and are above them ... > But I always say what I think, because I am free and I have my rights. > > If they treat me badly, I treat them badly. > If they treat me well, I treat them well. > cheers. > > > Às 20:15 de 15/12/2016, Pablo C. Morales escreveu: > Hi Sieghard > I think that you haven’t read the whole threads in the last days. I said so > because you are replying this email without knowledge of why I am posting > this email. I recommend that you check about it in the last 2 days. Yes it > is an IOs list, however it doesn’t mean that we cannot say that apple is > doing a bad job regarding software updates, and specially fixing the problems > that their software team are creating each IOs update. Mario is right when he > says that apple has to be more responsible with their customers. I said > something similar months ago, when I complained about the usability of our > phones and the time that apple takes to fix bugs, and sometimes they just > ignore the bugs and release new IOs, with more bugs. Obviously Sieghard your > attitude shows a strong position in favor of apple, and you feel like > ignoring what is wrong. Your attitude is no helping the blind community, your > attitude defending apple when they are no fixing the bugs is going to fix > apple in the future. Your attitude is hurting the accessibility and hurting > apple too. You are defending a company that in the past had a very good > attitude with the software and with the bugs unrepaired of software. You > are defending them when they are no doing a good job. I posted those links, > no talking about android or blackberry, those web pages are talking about the > same point that we have been talking in the list these las 2 days. Bugs, and > bad quality of software. The android developers are going to fix those > problems? > No, you know that they are not going to do it. Apple is going to fix this > problems? > Obviously they are no putting a lot of interest fixing these problems, they > are more concern in the releases of new fancy IOs, than fixing the bugs of > those new fancy releases. > Who is going to fix these problems? > We, their customers. We need to call, we need to write, we need to do a lot > of noise because we are paying their checks with the products that we are > buying. It is how market works. > In the last emails I have said, several times that liking or not. Voiceover > is the best choice for us. I am not saying that android accessibility is > better, no I didn’t said that. Read those emails and you will see what is my > position about it. I am not saying that Mario and many others are wrong, no. > They are right, apple is no doing a good job with the software. But it > doesn’t mean that I am saying that apple bs, as you said. > I don’t use that vocabulary, I am not accustomed to do that. > However, saying that apple is great, and keeping your attitude of just > highlight the good things, are not going to improve the quality of apple > software. Calling, writing, making noise is what is going to improve the > software quality. I rather to write, to call, to make noise. I rather to > complain to apple about their low quality. Because I am living in The United > States where I have the right to complain about this kind of things when I > paid for that. I am using my right. More over this right improves quality and > it is what apple and customer’s needs. No just saying that whoever said > something that you don’t like about apple, are wrong. > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 10:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet > > Pablo and others, > > You can find bunches of articles on anything on Google. I could send you 50 > links of articles which praise Apple and iOS to high heaven, then I can send > you just as many that are the complete opposite and the same applies to > Google/Android. I can probably even find you some die-hard Blackberry fans > who are posting that Blackberry is the best ever and both iOS and Android are > complete BS. I don't think we have to get into what is better or if iOS is > any good or anything like that. The point is that this is an iOS list, we are > all here because we use iOS devices due to their very good level of > accessibility. We all know there are bugs and that there always will be bugs. > We all know that Apple with iOS, Mac OS, TVOS and Watch OS don't have an > exclusive on them, Android has them, Windows has them, Google Chrome has them > and other software like Jaws, Office, Adobe, Firefox they all have bugs as do > all apps. > This list is and should be about helping each other, answering each others > questions and posting articles about some particularly cool app or accessory. > The list is also about posting about bugs you discover or think you have > discovered, sure you can point out your thoughts that Apple should do more or > that Apple really should have fixed this or that bug already or during the > Beta cycle, but I think these rants which then result in endless one-liners > about how somebody is right or wrong or should go and get an Android phone if > they aren't happy with the iPhone are just getting old, they usually just > rephrase what has already been said a dozen times over. As you know very well > yourself Android isn't all it's made out to be and while you say you totally > would have an Android phone if you could see there are also thousands of > ex-Android users who can see and who love their new iPhones after making the > switch. Then of course there are those "happy" Android users who bought > Samsung's new flagship Note 7 only to be surprised when the smoke hit the > fan, if this had happened to the iPhone 7 Apple would have been crucified and > in a much worse way than Samsung. > Headlines like your ssubject "Apple has a serious problem with software > quality" are typical link bait, you can go on Google and find lots of > examples for either one, here is just one example that swings the other way > from Forbes: "New Android Malware Strikes At Millions Of Smartphones". > Sometimes you even find something that is more objective like the summary of > this comparison article: > iOS 10 vs Android 7.0 Nougat: Conclusion. > In many respects, Android and iOS are very similar. They're both slick, > refined, competent mobile operating systems. Each has its advantages and > unique features, as well as frustrations and weaknesses. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Pablo C. 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