Why can't we end this thread right now! It is not solving anything. There is no 
room for temper tantrums on this list. Cut it out.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!

> On Dec 18, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Pablo C. Morales <pablocmd2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Mario,
> Come on, don’t get mad. Just do the following exercise. How much you have 
> invested in all of these, and what are the benefits found after your 
> investment. Return on investment.
> Yes, there is people saying things that irritate you, sometimes they try to 
> muck you, but what is the real effect on you when they don’t pay your food, 
> your computer, your internet, or anything else. At the end, why their opinion 
> is so important when they are not going to provide you anything?
> Thank that the whole list say that you are right. Apple is no doing what they 
> have to do. It is going to make you taller, or skinner, or rich, or more 
> handsome?
> No right?
> So, let they say whatever they want, if what they are saying is good and 
> useable for you, then take it, if it is no. Press delete.
> If tomorrow someone found a great app that is going to help you, take care 
> and take this email. If tomorrow someone say that you are crazy or many other 
> things, just press delete. It feels so good.
> Don’t let that the opinion of others affect you so much. Your opinion about 
> your self is the most important. Whoever opinion about you, especially when 
> they have no real effect in your life, don’t worry, delete it. Do it, you 
> will see that doing it, feels so good.
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mário Gabriel
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 7:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple is not doing their Job???
>  
>        
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Pablo take care of you, that I take care of myself.
> I know very well what I'm talking about.
> Some messages in the group make me laugh. And where is the problem?
> Laughing is not insulting
> But calling me troll, this is insult.
> Do you really think these people are more Educated than I am?
> I know very well with  who I'm dealing.
> I consider you a friend, but I don't need you give me advices
> take care yourself.
> cheers.
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Às 22:30 de 18/12/2016, Pablo C. Morales escreveu:
> Hi Mario,
> I don’t know what is wrong with your system, but I have the last iTunes 
> update, and the last jaws 18 update, and yes, the accessibility is really 
> good. I recommend that you uninstall iTunes and make sure that you are 
> running the last version of Jaws 18. Then reinstall iTunes. You might need to 
> download the program again from the apple web site.
> One more thing Mario that I would like to recommend. I understand your 
> frustration, however if you highlight so much over and over , it could create 
> a negative impact on your purpose. I think that your purpose is that apple 
> improve the accessibility in your devices, right?
> Ok, that target was already achieved. A lot of people understood that the 
> last IOs have some bugs that affect you as a visual impaired, and a lot of 
> people that is no visual impaired. Right here you should be happy and relax. 
> If you continue you are going to destroy everything that you have achieved.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mário Gabriel
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 1:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple is not doing their Job???
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>        
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Man you make me laugh
> In my iTunes 12.5.4.latest update, the accessibility enhancements that  you 
> talk  simply do not exist.
>  Does  Apple like you more than some people in the group who did not have the 
> magic of accessibility improvements in their iTunes apps?
> 
> Whatever they did, it not worked.
> And you know why? Because they did nothing.
> Keep dreaming, this is what is happening in your heads.
> Sure you still want to write to Apple and thank them for the complete 
> turnaround they made with the latest iTunes version?
> cheers.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Às 23:25 de 17/12/2016, englishride...@gmail.com escreveu:
> I also think we need to write to Apple and thank them for the complete 
> turnaround they made with the latest iTunes version. I haven't checked on 
> file sharing yet, but managing your iPhone's content has once more become 
> accessible. Whatever they did, it worked.
>  
>  
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
> On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:40 AM, Hope Paulos <hope.pau...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Diane. This is well-said. I’ve put off commenting about this thread because I 
> don’t want to really get involved. Apple is a huge corperation and if 
> customers don’t come to them with a problem, they cannot fix it. I work in 
> customer service and while we deal with irate customers who want their 
> product to work correctly, we are more likely to listen and respond to those 
> customers who approach us with kindness and explain the problem  they 
> experience in detail. In other words, if apple doesn’t know it’s broken, they 
> can’t fix it. I urge everyone to write accessibil...@apple.com and explain 
> whatever problem they’re having. I assure you, that in time, apple will 
> indeed fix the problem.
>  
> Hope Paulos
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dianne Phelps
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 6:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple is not doing their Job???
>  
> I have bitten my writing tongue for some time since IOS 10 came out. I don’t 
> know where the moderators are for this list; but this topic needs a healthy 
> and fast stop.
>  
> Apple is not the only corporation making changes to software which either 
> change or make more difficult our use of the technology we have come to 
> depend upon. AVG has now become incompatible with JAWS for version 18. I went 
> to download the new version the other night, and it locked up my tablet to 
> the point where I had to make a mad dash to see my computer guys at Staples 
> to help me dig it out.
>  
> The fact is software always comes out with bugs. I didn’t understand that in 
> the beginning of the whole computer revolution, and I still don’t; however, 
> this is the way it is. As consumers, we must act accordingly. We can either 
> find work-arounds, change devices or wait for the next update. Whining about 
> it isn’t going to make it be fixed any faster, and approaching the 
> manufactures and writers of software with the negative tone I have seen by 
> some on this list won’t get anything done faster and might even curtail 
> Apple’s willingness to work at any of this.
>  
> Furthermore, turning this into a racial discrimination matter is just beyond 
> ridiculous. STOP IT RIGHT NOW!!!
>  
> This list and its members just aren’t like that, and bringing that issue into 
> the discussion here is appalling .
>  
> We are all facing problems as technology changes, and all I can think of is 
> that we have way more than some of us had when growing up. People who want 
> things to change could study and major in computer programming and 
> engineering and work in the field as so many, including some on this list 
> have done. Having intelligent conversations with tech support, offering 
> suggestions might help. But, the vitriol won’t get us anywhere.
>  
> I am sorry to get upon my 67-year-old high horse, but knock it off right now! 
> Do something positive to help the situation rather than wasting time whining 
> and complaining.
>  
> Annoyed with this nonsense,
>  
> Dianne and Hibiscus
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