Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:33:49 -0700

I'm not sure how much a company marks up their products is relevant to this discussion.
I believe what you say about how market share is calculated, but I'd be surprised if the gap is as large as your example would make it out to be. Most retailers try to minimize stock because that just costs them money. I know I had a hard time finding my S7 Active when it came out because all of the stores in my area were out of stock. I know it's just anecdotal, but this is an example of how stores try to manage their stock and keep as few phones around as possible. 


There are also tons of variables when it comes to market share. Apple 
does great in the US and especially in the US when looking at high end 
phones. When you look world wide or in other regions, Android and other 
handset makers are much stronger.


On 22/03/17 21:41, John Panarese wrote:

   I’m trying to find the article I recently read that demonstrates how
vast the gap is between Apple profits and all of the Android handset
makers. I believe Apple makes 33 percent on each iPhone, while the best
Android handset maker makes about 15 percent. Most make under 8 percent,
and that’s because they compete against each other and not just Apple.

   As for market share, no, it has nothing to do with a true comparison
to Apple  because of the way sales are calculated. I never buy into the
market share numbers. The reality is that Apple counts only product sold
to the consumer as sales. So, when they say they sold X million iPhones,
that’s the number sold directly to consumers.

    Like Microsoft, Android handset makers use the principle of counting
product shipped to stores as sales. So, 1 million items could be sold to
a store chain, but even though 750000 are sitting on shelves, it’s still
a million products sold in their books. Also, whenever you hear those
offers AT&T and Verizon have where you buy one Android phone, you can
get another free, guess what? Those are counted as sales too. I’d love
to see actual numbers in which product actually sold to consumers are used.

   As for Android, I’ve pointed this out a number of times. Instead of
wasting time explaining the fractured state of the Android echostyem and
the 8 or so active versions of Android that no one even knows happens to
be the latest version, the simple statistic of the reality that 92
percent of Apple devices are running iOS 10.X, while only 0.2 percent of
Android devices are running the latest version of Android. That says it
all about the state of Android.

  Lastly, again, I will try to find the article, but in reality, unlike
the previous claim, the marketing data actually illustrates that people
are jumping ship from Android to iPhones. In fact, the iPhone 6S still
out sold Samsung’s flagship phone last year, and this was after the
release of the iPhone 7. Once more, the number of folks going to iPhone
 isn’t even by a small number either. If I have the time, I’ll post the
links, but an internet search can probably locate them.

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On Mar 22, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Mary Otten <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

For all those of you who apparently don't bother to read the technical
press, the great majority of apples profit comes from the iPhone. It's
that simple. And for those of you who say I should try android, I
have. In fact, I own to android devices, a Nexus six and an axon seven
mini. Before that, I had a Nexus seven. I would love to find a device
that is cheaper than an iPhone that does as well for me as an iPhone,
because I am like everybody else in that I like to save money there
are things about the Apple system that I do not appreciate, one of
them being the fact that is rather a pain to transfer files to and
from an iPhone. On the other hand, as someone who has a Mac, I offer
you the observation that transferring files between android devices
and Mac is not a piece of cake. So, grass is not always greener on
that side of the fence either.
Also, the top-of-the-line android phones, such as those from Samsung
on the top in and the Google pixel are very comparable if not more
expensive than iPhones. As such, I would want those devices to be kept
up-to-date quickly for several years, as is the case with an iPhone.
My Nexus six which is I believe, the same vintage as an iPhone 6, has
yet to receive an update to the latest operating system. And it's not
going to get anymore. The iPhone 6 on the other hand, God it's update
right along with all other Apple iPhones. That is a huge drawback to
Android, and Google knows it. They're taking steps to fix it, but I
remain skeptical as to how successful they might be. I'm not saying
android is bad. And I think it's great that there are phones in many
price ranges. But what I am saying is that it is a simple matter of
provable fact as acknowledge in the technical and financial press that
Apple makes the vast majority of profit in the smart phone industry.
You can love it or leave it but you can't change it. And marketshare
has absolutely nothing to do with it.


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On Mar 22, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Pablo Cesar Morales
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


Most don’t make profit?
How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?
It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are
moving to android. You should try it, is much better. However I
should recommend  that don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a
nexus 6p, or a pixel phone. They are great.




*From:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] *On
Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition
Red iPhone - Bloomberg


Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making
most of the money in this industry. There are many people who make
android devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in
business forever if they don't make a profit.
Mary


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On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS
    reliability and phone integrity, the fact is people are moving
    away from Apple devices for just that reason.  With the added
    advances in the camera, both front and rear, pictures will get
    larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available higher
    than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are
    pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the
    iPhone six, they realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if
    people wanted to take pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that
    they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, especially in the
    iPad, but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many phones
    out there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof,
    and they don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in
    addition, the OS security could be plugged to avoid that sort of
    thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is guarding it’s closed
    platform so people are forced to get their content from iTunes
    and App store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an
    easier way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that.
    Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their eyes when it
    comes to expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to a
    portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold when the
    Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just
    a thought.

    Victor

    *From:* Sieghard Weitzel
    *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
    *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special
    Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

    Hi Victor,

    I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and
    offer SD card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce
    media on an SD card then the OS must have access to the folders
    or maybe it would be more accurate to say that Apple would have
    to give users access to what is on the SD card and that would
    possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform.
    Any SD card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a
    lot of latency in how fast things get loaded and I think this all
    goes against what Apple wants to achieve. I think actually that
    even some high-end Android phones are moving away from that, but
    I might be wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google Pixel
    for example have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an
    expansion slot on an iPad is one thing because there is probably
    plenty of space, but having it on an iPhone is most likely not
    very practical as there hardly is any space left as is and of
    course making a highly waterproof or water resistant device would
    probably be much more difficult if the device had an SD card slot
    Personally I have no problem with Apple offering internal memory,
    I totally agree that nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I
    wonder how many people still buy 16 Gb devices if they can get a
    64 Gb device (4 times the space) for $100 more.

    Regards,
    Sieghard

    *From:* [email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] *On
    Behalf Of *Victor Gouveia
    *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM
    *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special
    Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

    I don’t agree.  Granted, the 300 dollar price tag is nice, but
    not with the memory it’s offering.

    I think the 32 and 16 models of any device is outdated, unless
    it’s got an expansion slot for an SD card.

    Frankly, I’m completely surprised that Apple hasn’t embraced this
    concept, since it would enable them to lower the amount of ROM
    memory on the device, and allow people to expand according to
    their budget.  Alas, it would seem that Apple is destined not to
    ever get the message.

    Victor

    *From:* Mr. Ed
    *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:40 PM
    *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special
    Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

    Hi Mary,
    I would think if you could get a new iPad for $329 that would be
    a big deal.
    Mr. Ed

    *From:* [email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] *On
    Behalf Of *Mary Otten
    *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:24 PM
    *To:* mailto:[email protected]
    *Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special
    Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg


    These are not big deal upgrades. If they actually introduce a
    substantial a new iPad Pro, I would suppose they would do so with
    a bit more fanfare. But these upgrades are no big deal.
    Mary


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    On Mar 21, 2017, at 6:48 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        And it’s not even April 1 yet. Is this actually for real? I
        just heard on the Apple Byte Podcast that Digitimes said
        there would be an event in April where a new 10.5 inch iPad
        Pro would be introduced, hard to believe they would just do
        this without much fanfare, if I remember correctly they did a
        bit more last yer around the iPhone SE..


        *From:* [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] *On
        Behalf Of *Marissa Solaun
        *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:37 PM
        *To:* mailto:[email protected]
        *Subject:* Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special
        Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg


        May be of interest to those seeking a red iPhone 7/7+
        
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-21/apple-introduces-cheapest-ipad-yet-special-edition-red-iphone


          Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone

        More stories by Alex Webb
        <https://wwwbloomberg.com/authors/AQjTH3FjSCY/alex-webb>

        Apple Inc.
        <https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/AAPL:US> introduced a
        revamped version of its most popular-sized iPad at the
        cheapest price yet, and a shiny red iPhone 7, whose sales
        will help to combat AIDS.

        Apple unveiled a new 9.7-inch iPad with a brighter Retina
        display starting at $329, and a special edition red-aluminum
        finish iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus, part of the company’s
        decade-long partnership with (RED), which contributes to the
        Global Fund to fight HIV and AIDS.

        “Since we began working with (RED) 10 years ago, our
        customers have made a significant impact in fighting the
        spread of AIDS through the purchase of our products, from the
        original iPod nano (PRODUCT)RED Special Edition all the way
        to today’s lineup of Beats products and accessories for
        iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch,” Apple Chief Executive Officer
        Tim Cook said in a statement
        <wlmailhtml://news/terminal/ON6020MEQTXJ> Tuesday.

        Apple is the world’s largest corporate donor to the Global
        Fund, contributing more than $130 million, the company said.

        Apple is expected to reveal a significant upgrade to the
        iPhone later this year.
        Cupertino, California-based Apple last year unveiled a new
        iPhone which reignited sales growth in the Christmas quarter
        after a year of declines. Those falling sales came even as
        Apple introduced a cheaper handset in March in an effort to
        spur growth in emerging markets. The only sales growth in the
        2016 fiscal year came from the services business, which
        includes Apple Music and the App Store, and the other
        products category.

        Apple shares rose less than one percent to $142.55 at 10:24
        a.m. in New York. Earlier they hit a new intraday high of
        $142.80.

        The new iPad starts at $329 for 32GB with Wi-Fi and $459 for
        32GB Wi-Fi plus cellular. It will be available to order
        starting March 24 in the U.S. and more than 20 other
        countries and regions. The iPhone (RED) models will be
        available in 128GB and 256GB models starting at $749 from
        March 24. Apple also announced new storage capacity for the
        iPhone SE. That 4-inch display model will now be available in
        32GB and 128GB models, doubling the current capacity and
        replacing the previous models.

        Other product launches Tuesday include a new app called Clips
        
<http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2017/03/21Apple-Introduces-Clips-The-Fun-New-Way-to-Create-Expressive-Videos-on-iOS.html>,
        that helps people combine video clips, photos and music that
        can be shared through social media and messages. Apple also
        said its Swift Playgrounds iPad app, which helps students
        learn to code, is available in five additional languages:
        Japanese, French, German, Spanish and simplified Chinese.


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