I love this comment.  Some of us like petite, me for example.  And to go 
against my own previous comment, sighted getting caught 
between their ankles is an absolute classic error they manage.  A cane can be 
too long if you cqan't withdraw it in quick manner to 
free from such a trap.  Mine is just about Sternum and needs to be pulled to 
the perpendicular without hitting me under the chin. 
Mine is designed to achieve this,...   I just hated the RNIB offerings, which 
are about the standard offering the rest are stuck 
with.

RobH, hopes to get off mobility aids as such, soon now, and sorry I fell for 
the bait too.

BobH.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jewel" <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET


I * used to be 5 feet:  in my younger days, 5 feet 1 inch:  mustn't forget that 
precious 1 inch:
but, either everything in my house is growing, or I, shudder..shudder and 
perish the thought, am
getting shorter.  I swear that, hardly, a day goes by when I don't have to 
stand on less and less
toe tip to reach shelves.
and Christopher!  you don't know how short our streets are! so I might not have 
been exaggerating
when I wrote of a chin-high long cane warning me of an obstacle, for instance,  
an unsuspecting
pedestrian who has just found the tip of a cane inserting itself between 
his/her ankles, when I, the
cane wielder, was still only halfway down it.

       Jewel

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From: "Deidre Muccio" <deidreandlou...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:06 AM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

Christopher, Perhaps you have not been following Jewel's post for a long time 
now.  you don't grasp
her usual tongue and cheek or brand of Eumar. I would say that If Jewel is used 
to using a 3 foot
Kane then a 5 foot Kane is indeed going to seem like it's turning the corner 
long before she needs
to turn a corner. I had also experience the same feeling when I use Kane's that 
were measured up to
my chin as oppposed to up to my sternum. I find using a 3 foot cane, On the 
other hand,  too short
for me and makes me feel like I am pitching forward. I'm not sure how I know 
this, but I also
believe that Jewel is 5 feet tall so maybe a 3 foot long Kane would  be the 
right size for her!
As for the emoticon, I'm not sure in what context one would care to use one. I 
think that was
spelled out in  the post put out by Apple, but I've already spaced it out cause 
it only brought
comical images rather than anything useful to mind for me.

Deidre


> On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:34 AM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, the idea behind the long cane is that you want a cane that will sweep 
> out the space that
> you're about to step into. A shorter cane means that you'd either have to 
> walk slower and take
> shorter steps or increase the risk of running into something since you won't 
> have enough warning
> to stop.
>
>
> Obviously, anyone can choose to use any length of cane they want, but a five 
> foot long cane, when
> holding it at an angle, is hardly going to extend half way down the street.
>
>
>
>
>> On 03/25/2018 04:41 AM, Jewel wrote:
>> On the rare occasions that I went out on the street sans guide dog, my cane 
>> was 3 feet long, and
>> I
>> found that, completely adequate.  A cane extending to the sternum, and even 
>> worse, the chin!  my
>> blood curdles at the very thought!  If there is an obstacle to avoid, I 
>> would rather know about
>> it
>> when I am close, not still halfway down the street!
>> It will be understood that I grew up in the era before the long cane, so my 
>> mobility education
>> was
>> with the 3 footer!
>>
>>          Jewel
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Kelly Pierce" <kellyt...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 2:54 PM
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET
>>
>> I became suspicious when I noticed that the only blindness
>> organization consulted by Apple in press reports was the American
>> Council of the Blind. A sighted friend examined the emojis and found
>> the canes appear to only extend to the elbows of the blind people, who
>> appear to be age 12. This cane length is below the sternum, which is
>> the minimum cane length advocated by the Association for Education and
>> Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired. ACB regularly
>> affiliates with AER.  The National Federation of the Blind recommends
>> that white canes extend past the chin.  It is sad Apple has brazenly
>> picked a political side in the white canes and travel debate rather
>> than develop an image representative of independent blind travel. The
>> blind people in the emoji’s are holding really short white canes with
>> red tips and a black golf grip with the nylon cord around their
>> wrists, which can often be a safety hazard. If blind people have their
>> canes caught in the doors of rapid transit or light rail trains, they
>> could be dragged to their deaths when the train rapidly accelerates
>> rather than having the cane just knocked out of their hand if a strap
>> is not wrapped around their wrist. It sets a poor example of cane use
>> to the public and blind people everywhere. I will ask Apple to
>> withdraw its submission and create new emoji that actually
>> demonstrates safe independent travel.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 3/23/18, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities
>>> The iPhone maker offered up 13 new designs for review.
>>> By Jessica Dolcourt, March 23, 2018 11:54 AM PDT
>>>
>>> A wheelchair, a service dog and prosthetic limbs could join your emojis of
>>> men and women jogging and playing sports.
>>>
>>> Three of the 13 new emojis Apple has submitted to Unicode for evaluation.
>>> Apple/CNET
>>> Apple has proposed 13 new emojis to include more experiences for people
>>> with
>>> disabilities. The iPhone-maker submitted its formal request to Unicode, the
>>> consortium that governs the standard that includes emojis.
>>> The new symbols feature men and women walking with a cane and touching
>>> their
>>> ear, as well as standalone icons of a hearing aid and prosthetic arm.
>>> Apple has been making a big push to ensure that its devices are accessible
>>> for all users. The company's iPhones, Macs and other devices include plenty
>>> of features that let people with vision, hearing and other impairments more
>>> easily use those devices.
>>> In Apple's own words:
>>> "Apple is requesting the addition of emoji to better represent individuals
>>> with disabilities. Currently, emoji provide a wide range of options, but
>>> may
>>> not represent the experiences of those with disabilities. Diversifying the
>>> options available helps fill a significant gap and provides a more
>>> inclusive
>>> experience for all."
>>>
>>> You can read the full PDF proposal here.
>>>
>>> Original Article at:
>>> https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-proposes-new-emoji-for-people-with-disabilit
>>> ies/#ftag=CAD-09-10aai5b
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