Opinions are diverse. I don’t use none of these apps, because I don’t like some of the limitations than a free or pay service has. For example, the paid services have bunche of rules that limits the use of the service. For example, if I want to use the glasses to drive a motorcycle the AIRA people will decline to provide the service because they feel that they could be under some legal responsibility. Who define Who define what is risky for a blind person?
, what are the parameters to define that something could put a company on risks because the blind user could has an accident? I know a guy that runs bycle in London, and other that runs motorcycle in South Africa. They cannot use these paid services because the companies decline to give the service for some activities. They use vOICe, that is free and is a lot more challenging than the AIRA glasses, but it is free. Another example, I practice fire arms shooting, also AIRA declined to provide the service. They believe that because I am blind I am going to shoot myself, or that I am going to shoot someone else. This opinion is very rude about the capabilities of blind people. Sighted people are who normally shoot themselves or other people. Why because of my blindness I will shoot myself or someone else? That is stupid. But it is the landscape of these services. So if you want to pay that money, you will use it for what they believe you should be able to do.Go to buy food, walk around, go home, and put water in your plants. Nothing more risky or nothing that they could consider risky for them. I don’t know if we are going to prepare some Tabule, are they going to feel that you might cut your fingers with the knife? From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Jerry Mader Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 9:59 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Glasses I found a totally better solution. I didn't want to pay for them glasses either so I decided to go a better route. I got myself a hat with a mount on the top of it that allows me to mount my iphone onto it and use Be My Eyes with a lot more better certainty because the camera never moves and it's very stable. Many of the volunteers are so eager to help that they don't mind helping you in the long sessions as long as you tell them what it's for and why you're doing it. Whenever I start a call using Be My Eyes I always say that I'm going to do such and such and I need help with it and it's going to take such and such time. Most of the time the volunteers are excited to help you and they don't care. I think this is a much cheaper option and it looks kind of cool. All of my cited friends think it's neat and they're always very impressed at how well I get around using this. I also have a pair of bone conducting headphones that allows me the ability to hear not only my surrounding area with my ears but here the agent on the other end just fine. It's a lot better than paying for $300 a month for an unlimited plan for stupid pair of glasses! I think that that company is price gouging I'm sorry but it's true and if you want to go ahead and be upset I understand but I'm just telling the truth. Every single time a company comes out with something that caters to blind people they love price gouging us. Well this is my method of fixing the problem and it works just fine for me. U2 should give it a try. I hope this helps someone. Take care Jerry Mader. Follow my podcast by searching for the Mader cast on your App of choice. On May 4, 2018, at 8:03 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote: Hi, Before looking at Aira, thinking it too expensive and, anyway, not available here in Ireland, I was looking at headsets, for a similar idea, using face-time instead. It was only when I found reference to the Horizon Glasses, produced by the Aira people, that I seemed to have found a solution, which made me take another look at the Aira service itself. Well, I was so impressed by the professionalism of the agents, plus their computer dash-board, which exponentially increased their ability to give me quick and relevant information, that I thought that Aira might be something I would use and gain from. Now, we have it coming to Ireland for a pilot scheme, but we will only be using it with our phones, and not the headsets, until it is established, if there is enough interest. Now, the problem is cost. Making choices is one thing, the ability to pay is another, for many of us, we just simply don't have the funds. I am looking into ways to subsidize the cost, be it on a national level, or sector by sector, for example, Students, people in employment, recipients of welfare services etc, and, so, would be glad to hear of any schemes used in the US, where Aira has been up and running for a while now. The other question is this, with the new Glasses, will we be able to make face-time calls, so that we can still use our friends or family, to help out, with the advantage of the head-mounted and hands free benefits of the system? I know that you can use the glasses with the app on a smart phone, but don't know if you are locked into the app and can only connect with an Aira agent, while the app is running. If it were possible, I would be able to pay, say, 10 to 20 Euros per month, with minimal minutes, say, 30 minutes, for those special times when I need that level of professionalism. Notwithstanding these financial concerns, I am still delighted to try it out! Sandy. es, Sent from The dark side of the moon On 4 May 2018, at 12:42, Brandon Olivares <programmer2...@gmail.com <mailto:programmer2...@gmail.com> > wrote: Personally I really like Aira, though I don't need the unlimited. I generally use Aira to read my mail, and sometimes to do something on the computer that's inaccessible for me. There are other apps that can do some of this, but I know from personal experience they aren't nearly as fast or as convenient as using Aira. I used to use Seeing AI for trying to read my mail, just reading the envelopes to know if it was important or not, and it took me probably two or three times the time as it does with Aira. I do wish there were a cheaper option, as I find myself using it less and less frequently, but don't want to give it up altogether. I'm not sure if the $89 is worth it for how little I've been using it, so it'd be nice if they had one lower package. Brandon On May 4, 2018, at 7:37 AM, Mama Peach <mamape...@charter.net <mailto:mamape...@charter.net> > wrote: I get that, but I think it is just another case of because we are blind, we are charged outragious prices for the service. I guess if it is a “got to have it situation and one has the money, then it would be nice to have. There are just so many apps out there that provide this same service, for very little money or nothing at all. From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 11:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Glasses If you live a lifestyle where you need this level of assistance whether it’s maybe for a difficult job or whatever else you might like to do then it’s actually ot that expensive. How many hours of assistance can you get one-on-one if you paid somebody $15 an hour? Easy calculation, at $329 for unlimited service that would be 22 hours a months which is just a bit less than 45 minutes a day. I think also that for many people the 400 minutes or 6 hours and 40 minutes for $199 is enough and the big benefit is that the assistance is available just about any time you need it and not when maybe you asked whoever helps you to stop by. On the other hand, paying $199 for 400 minutes works out to almost $30 an hour. In any case, it sounds as if those who can afford it and have it all agree it is worth it. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mama Peach Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 9:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Glasses Wow, my rent costs less than the unlimited minutes per month. Why not just use apps that are already available that don’t cost anywhere near this amount. I just can’t see spending that amount of money, but that is just my opinion. From: Andy Baracco <mailto:w...@socal.rr.com> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 6:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Glasses The Samsung phone included with the new glasses is simply for providing power to the glasses. Apparently Talk Back is locked out, so you can't use the phone as a phone, so you still will have 4 pieces of hardware, the iPhone, the bluetooth headset, the Samsung phone, and the glasses. The advantage to this system is that you don't have to charge the glasses separately, as the Samsung phone will power them. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Kay Malmquist <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 5:38 PM Subject: Re: Glasses They are introducing a new model called the horizon and this is a new pair of glasses that have the camera in the middle and operates with a Samsung phone that is dedicated for just Aira. No more Mifi and less hardware. You can still use your iPhone if you like, but if not and you want to use the new system, this will free up your Iphone for use in whatever way you like. The new glasses will have a larger field of vision. As for becoming dependent on Aira, I don't really think so. Do I like using it for things? Yes, When it comes to describing events, helping me put items together, finding things on the net that I wanted to buy more of and so much more. Just makes my life a bit easier and I don't feel that dependence is the issue. I still do things without the help of Aira, but when I use them to quick scan my mail or find a sirloin steak in my freezer that doesn't have a barcode because it is from a side, I appreciate them very much. Finding my way in an office building when no one else is around has become less of a chore that's for sure. Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com> Gratitude Advantages "No matter what your temperament is now, gratitude will give you more patience, understanding, compassion, and kindness." — Rhonda Byrne ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Baracco <mailto:w...@socal.rr.com> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 3:22 PM Subject: Re: Glasses i agree with michael. When I was working I would have had the same issues. But my friends who have the service absolutely love it, in fact, they seem to be addicted to it, and I think that is a negative. Lately they seem to be everywhere, doing an advertising blitz and I almost feel like it's being shoved down my throat. But i think there is a use case for it, and if my circumstances were different, I might consider it. I think it's neat, but certainly not for everyone. I do wish that there was a way that the glasses could interface directly with the iPhone so you wouldn't need another device. As it is you have your phone, some way to get audio, i. e. bluetooth headset, the glasses, and either a mobile hot spot or another phone that you would need to power the glasses. You need to make sure that all of these pieces are charged and in working order, and if one link in the chain fails, you're back to your own skills. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Maslo <mailto:michaelmasl...@gmail.com> To: Viphone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 8:27 AM Subject: Re: Glasses Out of curiosity, what plans are people who have these glasses have? I personally can't justify the price for none of the plans. I would be prohibiting to use them on my job due to sensitive material I have or in contact with. Also the money spent for the glasses and plans could be used to pay bills, save for a vacation or so many items. I respect there are a lot who like this application but it is but not for me. If those who have these glasses go shopping with them, how long does it take you to go shopping? Is it faster then asking for assistance or using the on line services offered by a lot of chains? Thanks for any responses. On May 3, 2018 at 09:40, <Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carol...@windstream.net> > wrote: I wonder if their minutes roll over like AT&T and Net 10 prepay plans do? Best regards, Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Rumery Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 9:28 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Glasses Hi Linda, The name of the company is Aira pronounced "Eye Ra". I am actually going to be signing up for the service today and if you or anyone else on the list are interested I can share a referral link that if you use it when you sign up for the service will get us both a free month of the service. The pricing for Aira is as follows: 100 minutes per month for $89 200 minutes per month for $129 400 minutes per month for $199 Unlimited minutes per month for $329 I know that it sounds like a lot of money to pay but if you really think about the service that they are providing it really doesn't seem that high to me. I know that for my wife and me we will get a lot of use out of this service as there are a lot of times during the month that we have to ask one of our sighted friends or family members to either come over to our house to help us or to use Face Time on the iPhone to help us. I am going to be signing up with the 200 minute plan to start, but if we need more time (which seems unlikely) I can change it later. Also, keep in mind that if you find that you are not using all of your minutes in the month you can then downgrade your service unless you are already on the lowest tier plan. I believe that if you use all of your minutes in a given month that you can then purchase more time but as of right now I do not know how much it cost to add time to the current month. I hope that this information is helpful, and please let me know if you are interested in getting a referral link as I will then share it with you. I hope that everyone has a great day! 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