After updating to iOS 12, the BARD app is reporting as taking up 147 MB, a very plausible figure considering the number and size of the books I have downloaded to my iPhone.
Craig On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 10:35 PM Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, Alan and everyone. > > I realize what follows may be boring to many since this report will > not help anyone use the BARD app more effectively; but if anyone is > interested in more findings about BARD app storage reporting, here's > the very dry report. I am writing it out of a sense of duty and not > because I believe anyone's lives will be changed for the better for > reading it. > > Problem: When I go to "Settings -> General -> iPhone Storage," my > iPhone running iOS 11.4.1 seems to include the correct number of > megabytes the BARD app takes up of total storage. However, with > several books downloaded, if I click on the BARD app's entry, the app > is shown as taking up 5.5 MB and its documents and data a mere 20 KB. > > After an email exchange this morning with NLS BARD support, in which > my emails were answered courteously, quickly, and thoughtfully, I > phoned Apple and got the same advice that I did from NLS: re-install > the app if I liked. No other theory as to how to remedy the problem > was given. I reinstalled the app and got the same behavior. > > Later in the day, I decided that instead of again deleting the app and > re-installing it, I would offload the app, preserving the documents > and data until such time as I would install the app once more. As > soon as I offloaded it, the correct byte count for the documents and > data of the app was surprisingly shown: something over 600 MB. This > time, though, the total number of gigabytes of storage reported by > the iPhone did not seem to take into account the gigabyte count taken > up by the BARD app. Feeling totally confused, I deleted everything > connected with the BARD app, reinstalled it, and now have the original > scenario: the total storage of the phone seems to reflect the presence > of the BARD app, but when I check out the app itself, the documents > and data count is again only 20 KB. It is important to stress that > the app is working correctly. > > The bottom line: It does seem as if there is a communications > disconnect between the BARD app and the phone, but my diagnostic zeal > has been exhausted. I'm copying this information to NLS Support in > case they want to forward it to BARD's developers. When I download > iOS 12, we'll see what happens. > > If you are tired of this thread, I don't blame you in the least. > > Thanks for reading. > > Craig > > On 9/26/18, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Craig, > > > > > > > > That is curious. I would think it should be fairly straightforward for > the > > iPhone to calculate and properly report how much storage each app is > using. > > Keep us posted if you learn what's up. > > > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf > > Of Craig Werner > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 7:36 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads? > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply, Alan. Spurred by your calculations, and recalling > > that the BARD app stored its content in the app under a previous iOS > version > > and a previous iPhone, I did some testing, and I discovered something > > surprising: even after downloading three more books, two of which are > over > > ten hours, the BARD app is reported as still taking up only 5.5 MB of > > storage. However, the total number of bytes stored in the iPhone rose by > > 300 MB. Perhaps I should uninstall and reinstall the app, or perhaps I > > should write the developers and ask why the app is behaving in this way. > > This odd behavior has me curious. > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 7:38 PM Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Craig, > > > > Under Settings, General, iPhone Storage, my iPhone 8 is reporting BARD > > Mobile is using 1.74GB. I've got 13 audiobooks loaded into BARD Mobile of > > varying lengths but if you consider that an hour of BARD audio is a bit > less > > than 10MB in size, a book of 10 hours would use about 100MB of space > which > > would work out to 1.3GB in my case. So I'm assuming some of my books are > > longer than 10 hours and the math seems to work. > > > > Alan Lemly > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf > > Of Craig Werner > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:49 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads? > > > > Thank you, Mark, for jumping in. > > > > I admit my question is prompted by curiosity. Knowing the answer won't > > assure that I will use the app more skillfully. At any rate, implicit > in my > > question is another one: Is my experience about the BARD app's low > storage > > content the same as other people's? Since no one has said this is odd, > I'm > > concluding that this is normal. I have never before run into a situation > > where an app's downloaded files are not included in the app's storage > area > > itself, and I wonder why the BARD folks made the app act in this way. In > > the case of the Audible, Kindle, and iBooks apps, for instance, I'm > pretty > > sure the app's files are embedded where one might expect them. Oh well, > > life is too short to ponder everything. The bottom line is that the BARD > > app works very well overall, and I'm glad to have it. > > > > Craig > > > > On 9/26/18, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: > >> Hello Craig, > >> > >> You ask an interesting question to which, I think there is no clear > >> answer. > >> Apple employs its own file system that, for better or worse, is > >> somewhat of a mystery to most of us. > >> > >> I suspect that the various app data, such as books for BARD, are > >> stored all across the storage device in the most efficient > >> configuration possible. In short, I don't think the actual files live > in > >> any one place on the drive. > >> For example, when I look at the amount of BARD storage space used on > >> my 8 Plus, it reports 5.5GB; I have over 30 titles downloaded two of > >> which are over 72 hours of audio, each. Perhaps the OS reserves so > >> much default storage space for particular app; this is just a guess, of > >> course. > >> > >> This is why I assert that if one truly wants to wipe the internal > >> storage completely clean, the phone much be setup as a new device in > >> order to erase all of the current data and fresh copies of the OS and > >> apps, installed. At present, one can only accomplish this via iTunes > on a > >> computer. > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > >> Behalf Of Craig Werner > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 7:19 AM > >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com > >> Subject: Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads? > >> > >> It seems certain the BARD books are downloaded to the iOS device. > >> Why, then, does the BARD app still appear to be taking up only 5.5 MB > >> of iPhone storage with two downloaded books? Where do these books > >> live on the device? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Craig > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 9:59 AM Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> The books are downloaded to your ios device. The reason I know > >> this, The books will play with airplane mode turned on. > >> > >> From: Robert Wright > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 7:03 PM > >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com > >> Subject: RE: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads? > >> > >> I don t think it actually downloads to your iDevice. I > >> believe that there may be a sort of temporary cloud storage that you > >> stream from. > >> > >> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for > >> you! > >> *** > >> > >> From: Craig Werner > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:40 AM > >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com > >> Subject: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads? > >> > >> Greetings to the list. > >> > >> I am using the BARD app on iOS 11.4.1, and I notice that when I go to > >> "Settings -> General -> iPhone Usage," the BARD app fills only 5.5MB > >> even though two relatively full-length books have been dowloaded. > >> "Documents and Data" under the app take up only a few kilobytes of > >> storage. 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