Bard will be one of the first apps I get on my new iPhone.  I will
also be getting the google home app so I can get my google home set up
again.  I really miss it.  My sister said that this coming Wednesday
we should be able to go and get my new iPhone.  That is a very good
thing since my flip phone isn't wanting to turn on any more and keeps
dropping calls.

On 5/26/19, Mich Verrier <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi I agree with this like you we don't have uber or lift in my town eather.
> I use my eye phone to make phone calls but not as much as my land line yes I
> still have one of those lol and do other things like using be my eyes and
> stuff. From Mich.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: May 26, 2019 11:48 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their
> Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
>
> Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I
> won't be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to
> make phone calls and some other things.  It is because of apps like seeing
> AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone.
> However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life.
>  I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar.  I
> have improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have
> such a very fine instrument.  As for reading braille, I don't read much
> braille since so many books are available in audio format.  However, I can
> read braille just fine.  If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble
> reading it.
>
> On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece <[email protected]> wrote:
>> There are all types of people out there.
>> People who are ignorant.
>> I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to
>> know about it.
>> They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
>> I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I
>> thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
>> God bless Anthony
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>
>>> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an
>>> important skill dead?
>>>
>>> Devin Prater
>>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>>>
>>> From: [email protected] on behalf of Anthony Vece
>>> <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or
>>> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal
>>> Independence?
>>>
>>> Hi Devon;
>>> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are
>>> using braille for today.
>>> I never want to see braille as a loss start.
>>> Keep it up.
>>> God bless
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>>
>>> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater <[email protected]>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first
>>> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and
>>> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I
>>> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the
>>> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's
>>> > house.
>>> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10
>>> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel
>>> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty
>>> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So,
>>> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>>> >
>>> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille
>>> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack
>>> > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you
>>> > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify
>>> > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its
>>> > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with
>>> > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I
>>> > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can
>>> > be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not
>>> > enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service
>>> > disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're
>>> > assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small
>>> > parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely
>>> > together.
>>> >
>>> > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access.
>>> > Its not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols
>>> > in braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself,
>>> > but my goodness for the most part, it works well. I'm not saying
>>> > Apple doesn't have to keep improving, but Google and Linux don't
>>> > give a crap, and Microsoft is still fumbling a little with braille,
>>> > but iOS 13 will be a great time for Apple to show that they still
>>> > care about their blind users, and braille users in particular, by
>>> > fixing bugs and adding features, like showing formatting if the
>>> > user wants, like italics, bold, and such when reading books and
>>> > articles, or allowing the user to set up cells which, if they're
>>> > not working anymore, should be skipped in showing braille, so that the
>>> > user doesn't get unreliable information.
>>> > Yes, both of these have been suggested to Apple by me.
>>> >
>>> > So, I've gone through just about all operating systems. Apple is
>>> > ruggid and reliable, but doesn't change much. Microsoft is shiny &
>>> > interesting, but can be rather flimsy sometimes. Linux is large and
>>> > hard to wield, and easy to break. Android is easily customized, but
>>> > its looseness also allows in malware. Chromebook doesn't really do
>>> > much, but that's great for education, and ironically, its braille
>>> > support is what Android should have, when you plug in a braille
>>> > display, Chromevox automatically comes on, if its not already on,
>>> > and drives the display. But like every other screen reader, for some
>>> > reason, it doesn't show formatting!
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On May 25, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Mary Jo Partyka <[email protected]>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> Since I started receiving Apple products in 2011, I have become
>>> >> more independent and knowledgeable about what they do. I use my
>>> >> phone with the screen only most of the time and like the idea of
>>> >> being able to text to people like everyone else. I enjoy exploring
>>> >> apps and the calendar is a godsend because my events appear on my
>>> >> phone and my computer at the same time. I have broadened my music
>>> >> repertoire with the Apple music service and like the idea that
>>> >> news items are at our disposal the same time other people receive
>>> >> them. Also trying to acquaint myself with apps that use GPS.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Mary Jo Partyka
>>> >> [email protected]
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> On May 25, 2019, at 8:28 PM, M. Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hello Gordon,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> While I appreciate your sentiment, because I do not want your
>>> >>> post to discourage others from contributing to this thread, I
>>> >>> will offer a brief rebuttal to your comments.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> First, my question was not meant to suggest that the visually
>>> >>> impaired did not have accessible options prior to the modern
>>> >>> version of iOS, Mac OS, etc.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Consider, Even though mankind had harnessed the power of fire,
>>> >>> thousands of years ago, few would argue that the invention of
>>> >>> modern matches or a handheld lighter did not increase personal
>>> >>> independence.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Second, in my opinion, the learning curve of the legacy OS
>>> >>> systems was tremendously more difficult to master than modern access
>>> >>> technology.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Third, many of the members in our community did not use any of
>>> >>> the old legacy technology so arguing their existence, in my
>>> >>> opinion, is pointless as my question was meant to share our Apple
>>> >>> product experiences; not to compare Apple products to other
>>> >>> technologies, modern or otherwise.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Finally, I want to reiterate that I am only posting this rebuttal
>>> >>> because I want everyone to continue to contribute to this thread
>>> >>> and not to be, in anyway, discouraged by Gordon's comments. I am
>>> >>> not posting this in order to engage in a debate.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I hope that more of you will contribute to this thread, keeping
>>> >>> with its intended purpose which is to simply share how Apple
>>> >>> products have increased your personal independence.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mark
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
>>> >>> On Behalf Of Gordan Radic
>>> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:43 PM
>>> >>> To: [email protected]
>>> >>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or
>>> >>> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal
>>> >>> Independence?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi to all!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the
>>> >>> subjectt and I can't agree with most mentioned.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there
>>> >>> was a tiny little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia
>>> >>> smartphones and there were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile
>>> >>> Speak.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts,
>>> >>> messaging, mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even
>>> >>> web browsing was available to the blind community times before
>>> >>> first iOS with voice over.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones.
>>> >>> There were also social media apps and some other things but they
>>> >>> weren't accessible with screen readers but, it's not Nokia or
>>> >>> Symbian fault, it's the developers thing. We hame the same
>>> >>> problems on iOS acasionally.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I
>>> >>> don't know when exactly Mac got usable Voice Over support but
>>> >>> Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal and NVDA are on Windows based PCs for
>>> >>> ages. Almost everything mentioned in previous mails was possible
>>> >>> for us allthe time and if you ask me, even more than on the
>>> >>> iProducts. With all dued respect, I still regularly use my
>>> >>> Windows PC for tones of tasks I can do on my phone.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> So, I can't say that iOS and iDevices in general are not great,
>>> >>> they really are but we can't say we didn't live before them.
>>> >>> Apple took us to the next level with mobility because we don't
>>> >>> need to carry our laptops or whatever with us and we can do
>>> >>> things on our iPhones on the go but we were able to do things before
>>> >>> iOS with Voice over.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> S poštovanjem
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Gordan Radić
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 25.05.2019 u 19:49, Paul and Paula Jordan je napisao/la:
>>> >>>> I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what.
>>> >>>> That was when the 4S had just come out. I have had a 7 for the
>>> >>>> last 2-1/2 years so that in itself says something. Hard to
>>> >>>> narrow down to 5 things even with some honorable mentions, but
>>> >>>> I'll give it a try. In no particular order:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 1. the ability to do some things that would otherwise require
>>> >>>> sighted
>>> >>>> help: BE MY EYES, and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two.
>>> >>>> 2. The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with
>>> >>>> others when I'm not sure they are able to take a phone call, or
>>> >>>> when I just want to leave a brief message.
>>> >>>> 3. Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately.
>>> >>>> 4. Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or
>>> >>>> paratransit: BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER.
>>> >>>> 5. Playing games on my phone just for fun.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Honorable mentions: 1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing
>>> >>>> websites like Chewy at my leisure.
>>> >>>> 2. Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a
>>> >>>> TV right where I am whether outside or in a different room from the
>>> >>>> set.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 3. Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses.
>>> >>>> 4. Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can
>>> >>>> contact the driver directly whether than a dispatcher, and they
>>> >>>> are often cheaper.
>>> >>>> God bless!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and
>>> >>>> Garçon -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
>>> >>>> On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 1:49 PM
>>> >>>> To: [email protected]
>>> >>>> Subject: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or
>>> >>>> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal
>>> >>>> Independence?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS,
>>> >>>> TV OS and/or any of their third-party apps increased your level
>>> >>>> of personal independence.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> As for me:.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 1.
>>> >>>> The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial
>>> >>>> apps such as Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 2.
>>> >>>> The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with
>>> >>>> apps like Seeing Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer,
>>> >>>> etc.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 3.
>>> >>>> The ability to read printed documents and acquire product
>>> >>>> information, on the fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader,
>>> >>>> Money Reader, the native iOS camera app, Seeing A.I., etc.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 4.
>>> >>>> The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news
>>> >>>> with apps such as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB
>>> >>>> Newsline, Lire Full Text RSS news reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You
>>> >>>> Tube, etc.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 5.
>>> >>>> The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as
>>> >>>> BARD Mobile, Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over
>>> >>>> Drive.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Honorable Memtions:
>>> >>>> 1.
>>> >>>> TV Guide Mobile.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 2.
>>> >>>> CA Lottery app.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 3.
>>> >>>> The Parcel Track package tracking app.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 4.
>>> >>>> Digit Eyes Bar Code reader.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 5.
>>> >>>> The My Chart medical App.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I look forward to all of your replies,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Mark
>>> >>>>
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