Hi!
Well, guess we don't understand each other quite well. English is not my
native language so it is possible i miss some points but....
As far as I know, Uber and Lift are general apps for everyone, not just
for the blind and using those services is meant for everyone. We don't
have Lift in this area but we have Uber and Bolt and, their drivers
don't have the obligation to help people with disabilitties unles they
don't want to. The same goes for the old fashioned cab services. It is
the good will of the driver will he or she help you to the door or
whatever. I had great experiences with old cabs just as I had bad
experiences with Uber. And the point is, it doesn't have anything to do
with using iPhone, it's just matter of humanity.
And to conclude, thetruth is Apple enabled me to use iOS with Voice Over
which again enabled me to use native and 3rd party apps but I managed to
do the things I do on iPhone today long before iPhone and I can't call
it lifechanger. And this whole topic is sounding like "in the begginning
there was dark... And Apple says let there be Voice Over" which is, if
not good than atleast not correct.
S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
26.05.2019 u 17:49, Marie N. je napisao/la:
You missed some of my points. The good thing about apps like Be my
Eyes is that you can use them when you want and not when a sighted
person has the time to help. I live alone and am totally blind so this
is important to me.
And yes I can call a taxi whenever I wish but they are not going to
assist you to the door of the restaurant or hair salon, etc. Here
where I live many of the drivers are not exactly friendly the cars are
not clean and so on. The Uber and Lyft cars I have been in are clean
and comfortable, and the drivers are great, very helpful and friendly
so I am much more inclined to get out and about.They are also cheaper.
I am not for one minute refuting the wonderful things that the
computer and a good screen reader have brought to my life, but the
IPhone has brought additional benefits.
-----Original Message----- From: Gordan Radić
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:53 AM
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Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or
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Hi to you and everyone!
I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my
thouhts as good as I could.
I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not helping
us, I just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they came in
the scene. Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started
with that and that's OK.
I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the
web" or, like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well,
as I remember, cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones.
You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and request a
car. We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now
using the cab service apps.
Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your
family, relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from
other people aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. And to
be completely honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're
result of some blind people who found the way to use the modern
technology for our needs.
Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right
here but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some
thought what was really a life changers and what was just the
advancement on existing solutions.
S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
26.05.2019 u 6:08, Marie N. je napisao/la:
Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user
of the Windows PC, there are things that I can do with the IPhone
which I can not do as easily on the computer.
The first and for me the thing which has really given me an
independence that I never had before are the Lyft and Uber apps. I
now go out to lunch or shopping and to medical appointments, etc.
totally on my own and can do these on the spur of the moment. No more
having to ask friends or family or to make arrangements a day or two
in advance with a para transit service.
2. Being able to set up a calendar event while I am out and not near
a computer.
3. Be My Eyes has helped with many things I would have had to get
with a sighted person at their convenience. And that includes
problems with the computer when we can't read what is on the screen.
4. KNFB and now the scanner app are so quick and easy when you are
not sitting at your computer desk or not even in your house.
5. The seeing AI lets me sort through my mail so quickly and with no
assistance and the money reader keeps me from having to worry about
what bills I have when I go out.
There are indeed many things I will always prefer to do on the
computer but I do love the portability of the IPhone and being able
to have both it and my PC.
Marie
-----Original Message----- From: Gordan Radić
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or
Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal
Independence?
Hi to all!
I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt
and I can't agree with most mentioned.
Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a
tiny little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones
and there were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak.
So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts,
messaging, mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web
browsing was available to the blind community times before first iOS
with voice over.
There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There
were also social media apps and some other things but they weren't
accessible with screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault,
it's the developers thing. We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally.
Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't know
when exactly Mac got usable Voice Over support but Jaws, Window Eyes,
Hal and NVDA are on Windows based PCs for ages. Almost everything
mentioned in previous mails was possible for us allthe time and if you
ask me, even more than on the iProducts. With all dued respect, I still
regularly use my Windows PC for tones of tasks I can do on my phone.
So, I can't say that iOS and iDevices in general are not great, they
really are but we can't say we didn't live before them. Apple took us to
the next level with mobility because we don't need to carry our laptops
or whatever with us and we can do things on our iPhones on the go but we
were able to do things before iOS with Voice over.
S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
25.05.2019 u 19:49, Paul and Paula Jordan je napisao/la:
I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That
was when the 4S had just come out. I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2
years so that in itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5
things even with some honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In
no particular order:
1. the ability to do some things that would otherwise require
sighted help: BE MY EYES, and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two.
2. The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others
when I'm not sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just
want to leave a brief message.
3. Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately.
4. Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or
paratransit: BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER.
5. Playing games on my phone just for fun.
Honorable mentions: 1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing
websites like Chewy at my leisure.
2. Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV
right where I am whether outside or in a different room from the set.
3. Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses.
4. Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can
contact the driver directly whether than a dispatcher, and they are
often cheaper.
God bless!
I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and Garçon
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 1:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal
Independence?
Hello Everyone,
What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV
OS and/or any of their third-party apps increased your level of
personal independence.
As for me:.
1.
The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps
such as Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc.
2.
The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps
like Seeing Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc.
3.
The ability to read printed documents and acquire product
information, on the fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money
Reader, the native iOS camera app, Seeing A.I., etc.
4.
The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with
apps such as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire
Full Text RSS news reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc.
5.
The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as
BARD Mobile, Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive.
Honorable Memtions:
1.
TV Guide Mobile.
2.
CA Lottery app.
3.
The Parcel Track package tracking app.
4.
Digit Eyes Bar Code reader.
5.
The My Chart medical App.
I look forward to all of your replies,
Mark
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