Mark, and, everyone, I for one aren't discouraged by Gordon's message, in
fact I hfound it refreshing to hear for a few different reasons, which is
positive. Wayne and I are a bit late in getting touch screen phones,
compared to many of you, beginning in december of 2017 when he gave me my
first se for Christmas. We've been meaning to join this thread concerning
how having an iphone has affected us with all that it includes that
depending on the app, is quite useful in a tremendous way. Such as apps
like the scanning apps. Through the scanning apps gives you a portable
scanner that you can take anywhere you go or sitting else where in your
house other than the room your computer is in. Being able to reading
printed matter anywhere, is both amazing and wonderful, very convenient and
more. and can be very valuable when you're out some where to read something
handed to you or a menue. then there's the entertaining type apps, with
our cox tv services apps and the xm app.While I was very hessitant for a
long time whether I would take to a touch screen phone, I had 2 experiences
that showed me that I probably could learn it if I had one. Both experiences
were with iphones. I'm going to say some more things about the great things
about the iphone, what's been useful and what I've learned in the last 17 or
18 months since my first se phone, but I just wanted to point a few things
out, which may not be welcomed, but it's something that is so true and
really is possitive. We all vary in how we use what we have. I know many
people blind and sighted, these days do more email on the phone. Emailing is
something we still do on our computers. While we can write emails just fine
on our se phones, we just rather go through our email on the computer. While
this thread isn't about what we use our computers for besides our phones,
this thread is about our phones and how they've affected our lives. for one
just brief comment I can't forget my introduction to accessible phones that
had the screen readers in them and how it was amazing of that time 13 years
ago, of what I could do on one of these phones, compared to having a phone
that didn't have speech in it to including going on the browser in the
phone, to the phone talking everything. It was something to get use too at
the time, it truly was something different and it seems funny now, but I
wasn't sure if I could learn it, but I did, which the same thing happened
with the iphone. So my memory lane comment is over about those other phones,
in the last 14 to 17 months since I got my first se phone for christmas,
I've learned so much, and things that seemed confusing aren't as confusing
to me now. One buggaboo for me was the rotor, it just seemed so confusing to
me, and couldn't get it for nothing the first few times I tried to do the
rotor. Then recently I tried it and it all fell into place, it's something I
can do now. In fact at one time I didn't even want to hear about the rotor,
but thank goodness I can do it now, but maybe some of you had some things
you couldn't get the idea of doing at first or even later in your learning.
It's so true, while this thread isn't about what we've learned in the time
we've had our phones while we've had them, but we all have our speeds of
sorts of when we learn things on our phones to begin to do different things
on our phones. Some individuals are old experts in a short amount of time,
and then there's some of us like Carolyn and I that learn 1 or 2 things at a
time, which those 1 or 2 things learned at a time over so many months adds
up to a number of things that one can do on their phones. Possibly another
question would be what have you discovered on your phone, that either you
like doing or that seems easier to do. One thing for me recently is, In some
ways, with filling out some forms on my phone in signing up for some
services and getting apps, I'm finding that I find filling out forms is
prety easy. I know not all of them are easy though, as in the time we were
at sams setting up the store app. There was some information we had to put
in that we couldn't do with voice over on. We did have someone to help us
with that, but I don't know what I would do if that happened another time.
We recently put the bard app on our phones, which we're really enjoying. At
one time I didn't think I wanted to have books on the phone. I guess at the
time I thought it would be hard to navigate it, but it's very easy. To us
there's nothing like the scanning apps, it's so convenient when you need to
scan products you have in the kitchen, by taking the phone to the kitchen.
So little by little we're learning and experiencing more and more between
hearing about the things that alll of you do with your phones and the apps
you use, going through the list of apps on applevis, also some of the apple
related podcasts we heard even before we knew about apple viz, such as the
podcasts done my David woodbridge, and we've learned so much here on the
list. While we have some sets of speakers we hook our phones up too in
listening to the xm radio app, or listening to the music we have from the
computer through itunes with our phones hooked up to itunes, we just like to
listen to the music, just plain on the phone, sort of us making us think of
listening to our transistor radios back in the olden days of the 60's and
70's. Anyway, there's probably some things I haven't mentioned of what we
depend on and in that sense, causing more independence. To me it's not
necessarily about independence in away, but these developments in many of
these apps and all the accessibility just makes it possible for us to do
things just like just about anyone else can and that's what is really great.
One other app that is so important, ehlpful and useful is the gps apps.
Recently we went to a medical building for a doctors appointment and it was
telling us the suites of offices that we were near, including one of our
doctor's office. We didn't know it would work that way inside a building,
but we had the gps app as we were going there in the car and left it on when
we went in to the building. We'll write again with someother things that are
especially useful on our iphones, as we're continuing to learn. I do have
some questions for some things we'd like to do, but I'll write about that in
another message. We're really enjoying this thread about what is important
to you about your iphones and iwatches, and the valuable things it allows
for you to do independently without having to depend on someone, it's all so
tremendous and special. While there may be some things I'll always do on my
computer, who knows, a year from now, for an example, I might learn to do or
like doing some of those things on my phone as well as doing them on my
computer. That's something I don't even know at this point, but that's
partly why I responded to this message, not disagreeing with anyone. Thank
you to Mark especially for the list, and all of you that make this list so
helpful to everyone of us.
Arlene
Original Message -----
From: "M. Taylor" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 7:28 PM
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
Hello Gordon,
While I appreciate your sentiment, because I do not want your post to
discourage others from contributing to this thread, I will offer a brief
rebuttal to your comments.
First, my question was not meant to suggest that the visually impaired did
not have accessible options prior to the modern version of iOS, Mac OS, etc.
Consider, Even though mankind had harnessed the power of fire, thousands of
years ago, few would argue that the invention of modern matches or a
handheld lighter did not increase personal independence.
Second, in my opinion, the learning curve of the legacy OS systems was
tremendously more difficult to master than modern access technology.
Third, many of the members in our community did not use any of the old
legacy technology so arguing their existence, in my opinion, is pointless as
my question was meant to share our Apple product experiences; not to compare
Apple products to other technologies, modern or otherwise.
Finally, I want to reiterate that I am only posting this rebuttal because I
want everyone to continue to contribute to this thread and not to be, in
anyway, discouraged by Gordon's comments. I am not posting this in order to
engage in a debate.
I hope that more of you will contribute to this thread, keeping with its
intended purpose which is to simply share how Apple products have increased
your personal independence.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Gordan Radic
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:43 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
Hi to all!
I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt and
I can't agree with most mentioned.
Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a tiny
little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones and there
were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak.
So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts, messaging,
mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web browsing was
available to the blind community times before first iOS with voice over.
There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There were
also social media apps and some other things but they weren't accessible
with screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault, it's the
developers thing. We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally.
Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't know when
exactly Mac got usable Voice Over support but Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal and
NVDA are on Windows based PCs for ages. Almost everything mentioned in
previous mails was possible for us allthe time and if you ask me, even more
than on the iProducts. With all dued respect, I still regularly use my
Windows PC for tones of tasks I can do on my phone.
So, I can't say that iOS and iDevices in general are not great, they really
are but we can't say we didn't live before them. Apple took us to the next
level with mobility because we don't need to carry our laptops or whatever
with us and we can do things on our iPhones on the go but we were able to do
things before iOS with Voice over.
S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
25.05.2019 u 19:49, Paul and Paula Jordan je napisao/la:
I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was
when the 4S had just come out. I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so
that in itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with
some honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order:
1. the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted
help: BE MY EYES, and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two.
2. The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when
I'm not sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to
leave a brief message.
3. Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately.
4. Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or
paratransit: BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER.
5. Playing games on my phone just for fun.
Honorable mentions: 1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing websites
like Chewy at my leisure.
2. Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV right
where I am whether outside or in a different room from the set.
3. Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses.
4. Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can contact the
driver directly whether than a dispatcher, and they are often cheaper.
God bless!
I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and Garçon
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 1:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
Hello Everyone,
What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS
and/or any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal
independence.
As for me:.
1.
The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps such
as Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc.
2.
The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like
Seeing Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc.
3.
The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, on
the fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native iOS
camera app, Seeing A.I., etc.
4.
The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps
such as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text
RSS news reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc.
5.
The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD
Mobile, Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive.
Honorable Memtions:
1.
TV Guide Mobile.
2.
CA Lottery app.
3.
The Parcel Track package tracking app.
4.
Digit Eyes Bar Code reader.
5.
The My Chart medical App.
I look forward to all of your replies,
Mark
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone
list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or
if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the
owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:
[email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
[email protected]
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
email to [email protected].
To post to this group, send email to [email protected].
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone.
To view this discussion on the web visit
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000301d51258%24f7783550%24e6689ff0%24%40edu.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if
you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:
[email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
[email protected]
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
email to [email protected].
To post to this group, send email to [email protected].
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone.
To view this discussion on the web visit
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/27b1caa5-5e08-bdb7-6404-7fd7f4b4a6dc%40gmail.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if
you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:
[email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
[email protected]
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
email to [email protected].
To post to this group, send email to [email protected].
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone.
To view this discussion on the web visit
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000001d51359%24fd111570%24f7334050%24%40edu.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:
[email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
[email protected]
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to [email protected].
To post to this group, send email to [email protected].
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone.
To view this discussion on the web visit
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/20C5AEBFAC6D464D835CDD8750A8C1A6%40love.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
