First, the Apple advisor was wrong. The confusing edit box messages on web 
pages is an Apple issue, which I understand is fixed in 13.5 when it comes out.
If you are going to stick with the Gmail app, you will likely continue finding 
all these issues in mail.
The Apple default mail app handles Gmail accounts very well.
You should, at the very least, setup your gmail account in Settings, Passwords 
and accounts, and try it out before dumping the phone or Apple.
Good luck with Android if you do leave Apple.


Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

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On May 11, 2020, at 10:36 AM, deidre muccio <deidreandlou...@gmail.com> wrote:

´╗┐Hello all,
  Before hitting the list with more complaints about how jumpy my new SE2 with 
IOS 13.4.1 is, I called Apple Accessibility this morning to sort out what 
features I might be able to eliminate and to demo the kinds of voice over 
problems I was having. We screen shared so that the person at the other end of 
the line could see what was happening on my screen in real time.
  Remember now that I have updated from using an I phone 6 with 12.4.6, which 
did everything I wanted, other than turn on location tracking with Seeri which 
has only become possible with IOS 13_ - that gets one gold star in my book. The 
screen on the 6 is shattered and the ringer stopped working quite some time 
ago, and some sounds and notifications were no longer spoken, even though the 
actual function of receiving and sending calls and mail and messages continued 
to work just fine.
  I bought a cheap iPhone 6S that has 13.13.2.3 on to serve in the interim 
before the SE came out. It's been weeks now, so I can't recall if the 6S with 
13.2.3 threw me any curve balls, but the SE with IOS 13.4.1 is driving me crazy.
One of my main gripes has to do with mail. I use gmail on the new phone as I 
did on the 6 and it has become a nightmare to write, read then edit messages. I 
get these spontaneous spoken invitations to format text, insert a picture, and 
other things others must also be seeing, at least if they are using gmail on 
their SE's. I often cannot back space character by character to read or delete 
text, or select text in any block. This can be true for rereading text as well 
where I get thrown all over the place and the cursor, seems to be somewhere 
other than where I am reading from, or where voice over lead me to believe I 
was. I sometimes suspect it might be trying to correct something even though I 
have all that turned off.
Then there is that insistent vertical scroll bar that gets activated all the 
time when what I thought I was doing was simply reading text  whether it be on 
Facebook or in any other App.
The same voice over inaccuracy and jumpiness comes into play using Safari which 
is the browser Apple uses. The Accessibility person said it was the fault of 
the web site not voice over that, by way of example, when Voice over told me 
that I was in a live edit field, and when I went to type in my search criteria, 
I was bounced all over the place. This happened on the Hadley site which is a 
learning tools service for the Blind. What the person at the other end of the 
phone line saw was that I was not in an edit field at all, but that I was in a 
green box with nothing in it. Another time, when vo told I was in an edit field 
where I could type, the accessibility guy said that I was actually on a picture 
of a woman.
I am astonished that voice over has become so unstable in the day to day doing 
many of the things I've been doing for years using some of the same web sites 
and mail programs. Has Hadley gone that far down the tubes in terms of their 
web design? Or why are those speech codes no longer shared, or working when 
they did with other versions of IOS? Is this by deliberate design? If it is, my 
days as a consumer of Apple products may be over when it comes time to get a 
new phone.
  Can anyone please tell me what about all this is correct and what might not 
be? For one thing, I guess I'd better go back and select voice over to speak 
all images it encounters rather than just the labelled ones, so maybe voice 
over won't confuse where I am and speak something that isn't true. I am also 
violently opposed to using Apple mail or web mail, so I'm stuck there too 
unless I change my mind about it.
I'm ready to get rid of this phone.

Deidre

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