Maybe you did, but the wording of your message had me thinking you were using the Gmail app, not the Apple mail app.
Richard Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good." Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com On May 11, 2020, at 11:17 AM, deidre muccio <deidreandlou...@gmail.com> wrote: what do you mean set up Gmail through the Apple thing on the phone. I thought that's what I did. I thought it was in passwords and accounts. from my iPhone On May 11, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote: First, the Apple advisor was wrong. The confusing edit box messages on web pages is an Apple issue, which I understand is fixed in 13.5 when it comes out. If you are going to stick with the Gmail app, you will likely continue finding all these issues in mail. The Apple default mail app handles Gmail accounts very well. You should, at the very least, setup your gmail account in Settings, Passwords and accounts, and try it out before dumping the phone or Apple. Good luck with Android if you do leave Apple. Richard Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good." Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com On May 11, 2020, at 10:36 AM, deidre muccio <deidreandlou...@gmail.com> wrote: Hello all, Before hitting the list with more complaints about how jumpy my new SE2 with IOS 13.4.1 is, I called Apple Accessibility this morning to sort out what features I might be able to eliminate and to demo the kinds of voice over problems I was having. We screen shared so that the person at the other end of the line could see what was happening on my screen in real time. Remember now that I have updated from using an I phone 6 with 12.4.6, which did everything I wanted, other than turn on location tracking with Seeri which has only become possible with IOS 13_ - that gets one gold star in my book. The screen on the 6 is shattered and the ringer stopped working quite some time ago, and some sounds and notifications were no longer spoken, even though the actual function of receiving and sending calls and mail and messages continued to work just fine. I bought a cheap iPhone 6S that has 13.13.2.3 on to serve in the interim before the SE came out. It's been weeks now, so I can't recall if the 6S with 13.2.3 threw me any curve balls, but the SE with IOS 13.4.1 is driving me crazy. One of my main gripes has to do with mail. I use gmail on the new phone as I did on the 6 and it has become a nightmare to write, read then edit messages. I get these spontaneous spoken invitations to format text, insert a picture, and other things others must also be seeing, at least if they are using gmail on their SE's. I often cannot back space character by character to read or delete text, or select text in any block. This can be true for rereading text as well where I get thrown all over the place and the cursor, seems to be somewhere other than where I am reading from, or where voice over lead me to believe I was. I sometimes suspect it might be trying to correct something even though I have all that turned off. Then there is that insistent vertical scroll bar that gets activated all the time when what I thought I was doing was simply reading text whether it be on Facebook or in any other App. The same voice over inaccuracy and jumpiness comes into play using Safari which is the browser Apple uses. The Accessibility person said it was the fault of the web site not voice over that, by way of example, when Voice over told me that I was in a live edit field, and when I went to type in my search criteria, I was bounced all over the place. This happened on the Hadley site which is a learning tools service for the Blind. What the person at the other end of the phone line saw was that I was not in an edit field at all, but that I was in a green box with nothing in it. Another time, when vo told I was in an edit field where I could type, the accessibility guy said that I was actually on a picture of a woman. I am astonished that voice over has become so unstable in the day to day doing many of the things I've been doing for years using some of the same web sites and mail programs. Has Hadley gone that far down the tubes in terms of their web design? Or why are those speech codes no longer shared, or working when they did with other versions of IOS? Is this by deliberate design? If it is, my days as a consumer of Apple products may be over when it comes time to get a new phone. Can anyone please tell me what about all this is correct and what might not be? For one thing, I guess I'd better go back and select voice over to speak all images it encounters rather than just the labelled ones, so maybe voice over won't confuse where I am and speak something that isn't true. I am also violently opposed to using Apple mail or web mail, so I'm stuck there too unless I change my mind about it. I'm ready to get rid of this phone. Deidre -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. 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