what do you mean set up Gmail through the Apple thing on the phone. I thought 
that's what I did. I thought it was in passwords and accounts. from my iPhone

> On May 11, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> ´╗┐ First, the Apple advisor was wrong. The confusing edit box messages on web 
> pages is an Apple issue, which I understand is fixed in 13.5 when it comes 
> out.
> If you are going to stick with the Gmail app, you will likely continue 
> finding all these issues in mail.
> The Apple default mail app handles Gmail accounts very well.
> You should, at the very least, setup your gmail account in Settings, 
> Passwords and accounts, and try it out before dumping the phone or Apple.
> Good luck with Android if you do leave Apple.
> 
> 
> Richard
> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
> just stops you from enjoying the good."
> 
> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On May 11, 2020, at 10:36 AM, deidre muccio <deidreandlou...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> ´╗┐Hello all,
>>>   Before hitting the list with more complaints about how jumpy my new SE2 
>>> with IOS 13.4.1 is, I called Apple Accessibility this morning to sort out 
>>> what features I might be able to eliminate and to demo the kinds of voice 
>>> over problems I was having. We screen shared so that the person at the 
>>> other end of the line could see what was happening on my screen in real 
>>> time.
>>>   Remember now that I have updated from using an I phone 6 with 12.4.6, 
>>> which did everything I wanted, other than turn on location tracking with 
>>> Seeri which has only become possible with IOS 13_ - that gets one gold star 
>>> in my book. The screen on the 6 is shattered and the ringer stopped working 
>>> quite some time ago, and some sounds and notifications were no longer 
>>> spoken, even though the actual function of receiving and sending calls and 
>>> mail and messages continued to work just fine.
>>>   I bought a cheap iPhone 6S that has 13.13.2.3 on to serve in the interim 
>>> before the SE came out. It's been weeks now, so I can't recall if the 6S 
>>> with 13.2.3 threw me any curve balls, but the SE with IOS 13.4.1 is driving 
>>> me crazy.  
>>> One of my main gripes has to do with mail. I use gmail on the new phone as 
>>> I did on the 6 and it has become a nightmare to write, read then edit 
>>> messages. I get these spontaneous spoken invitations to format text, insert 
>>> a picture, and other things others must also be seeing, at least if they 
>>> are using gmail on their SE's. I often cannot back space character by 
>>> character to read or delete text, or select text in any block. This can be 
>>> true for rereading text as well where I get thrown all over the place and 
>>> the cursor, seems to be somewhere other than where I am reading from, or 
>>> where voice over lead me to believe I was. I sometimes suspect it might be 
>>> trying to correct something even though I have all that turned off. 
>>> Then there is that insistent vertical scroll bar that gets activated all 
>>> the time when what I thought I was doing was simply reading text  whether 
>>> it be on Facebook or in any other App.
>>> The same voice over inaccuracy and jumpiness comes into play using Safari 
>>> which is the browser Apple uses. The Accessibility person said it was the 
>>> fault of the web site not voice over that, by way of example, when Voice 
>>> over told me that I was in a live edit field, and when I went to type in my 
>>> search criteria, I was bounced all over the place. This happened on the 
>>> Hadley site which is a learning tools service for the Blind. What the 
>>> person at the other end of the phone line saw was that I was not in an edit 
>>> field at all, but that I was in a green box with nothing in it. Another 
>>> time, when vo told I was in an edit field where I could type, the 
>>> accessibility guy said that I was actually on a picture of a woman.
>>> I am astonished that voice over has become so unstable in the day to day 
>>> doing many of the things I've been doing for years using some of the same 
>>> web sites and mail programs. Has Hadley gone that far down the tubes in 
>>> terms of their web design? Or why are those speech codes no longer shared, 
>>> or working when they did with other versions of IOS? Is this by deliberate 
>>> design? If it is, my days as a consumer of Apple products may be over when 
>>> it comes time to get a new phone. 
>>>   Can anyone please tell me what about all this is correct and what might 
>>> not be? For one thing, I guess I'd better go back and select voice over to 
>>> speak all images it encounters rather than just the labelled ones, so maybe 
>>> voice over won't confuse where I am and speak something that isn't true. I 
>>> am also violently opposed to using Apple mail or web mail, so I'm stuck 
>>> there too unless I change my mind about it.
>>> I'm ready to get rid of this phone.
>>> 
>>> Deidre
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