Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that. I was referring to the statement > Lately there has been some frustration expressed on this list about > accessibility and ease of use of Apple products.
which was in the post that started this thread. On 22/12/12 00:34, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hmm, I don't think I said people have been frustrated in the iPhones > accessibility or ease of use. I just said issues that are causing them > frustration. I was speaking in general terms. And I definitely agree people > should make Apple aware of bugs, and overall dissatisfaction. Hence the > information to contact them in my post. > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Dec 21, 2012, at 11:28 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I haven't seen any posts on this list expressing a frustration in the >> iPhone's accessibility or ease of use. People have reported bugs and >> expressed some frustration in those bugs, but I don't see a problem with >> that. Just as people shouldn't whine or complain incessantly, people >> also shouldn't be looking at things through rose coloured glasses. Just >> because we have it better off than we did 10 years ago, doesn't mean >> things are perfect or can't get any better. If we didn't report >> problems, Apple or any company could get complacent. >> >> On 21/12/12 18:25, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>> Agreed. I would hate for people with issues to be afraid to voice there >>> frustrations because they think they will be picked upon. Just as a >>> friendly reminder, you can contact Apple at accessibil...@apple.com and >>> make them aware of any bugs, enhancement request, or thanks you have. >>> >>> haha. Just my 2 cents. >>> >>> Ricardo Walker >>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>> www.appletothecore.info >>> >>> On Dec 21, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Joe <jsoro...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Sandy had a great message. As to my fellow fellas... Rather than be anal >>>> about how people complain too much, why not point folks to places where >>>> they >>>> can learn more about how to use the platform? You're no better than the >>>> whiners if all we do is clutter the list with observations about how people >>>> should be grateful. For my part, I think AppleVis.com is a great website. >>>> The AppleVis podcast is also good, as well as Triple Click Home podcast. >>>> You >>>> don't need an iDevice to access these programs. Lisa Salinger has produced >>>> some good demos of some apps and beginning training tutorials for iOS >>>> users. >>>> There's a book published by National Braille Press whose title escapes me, >>>> but Anna Dresner, a fellow subscriber, is its author. Don't get me wrong. I >>>> think people should give iOS a try and really peddle around a bit before >>>> deciding it's too hard or not for them, but criticizing isn't helping >>>> anyone >>>> to your cause. Hope that helps.--Joe >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>>> Of Andy Baracco >>>> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:22 AM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: iPhone: Some Perspective >>>> >>>> There are people who will complain no matter what. They'll complain if >>>> it's >>>> too hot, too cold, rainy, dry, etc. There are people who always see the >>>> glass as half empty. I try not to listen to or take such complaints >>>> seriously. >>>> >>>> Andy >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: James Mannion >>>> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 4:58 AM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: iPhone: Some Perspective >>>> >>>> Definitely agreed! Maybe I have missed and and am not finding some posts, >>>> but complaining about a lack of being easy to use??? >>>> Complaining about level of over all accessibility?? I think if people are >>>> complaining about it not being easy enough to use or an over all lack in >>>> accessibility, they need to examine the validity of their expectations. >>>> They >>>> should have to use what is on another platform for a week. They should take >>>> a look at if the problem simply lies with their understanding of how to use >>>> the technology and not entirely the technology's fault. Bashing the >>>> accessibility Apple has given us on IOS is quite likely acting spoiled and >>>> inconsiderate of one's own responsibility to learn and understand what they >>>> are critizising. >>>> >>>> On 12/21/12, Sandy Finley <finleykn...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Lately there has been some frustration expressed on this list about >>>>> accessibility and ease of use of Apple products. I hope that what I >>>>> have to say here will help some put this in perspective. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I bought an iPod for Christmas for my sighted husband. Because we are >>>>> traveling for Christmas I gave it to him last evening. He has never >>>>> used an iPhone and while bright, techy stuff is not his priority. I >>>>> loaded onto it our entire digitized music collection plus his almost >>>>> 1,500 digital photos, and a few apps I thought he'd like. As I >>>>> showed him how to use it I had one of those ahah! Moments. I was >>>>> saying things like, "That bottom row is called the doc" and "there's a >>>>> download button up there on the right" >>>>> and "tap play list on the bottom." >>>>> >>>>> As far as I know the iPhone is one of the few products that is not >>>>> only accessible, but we have a fairly accurate picture of the location >>>>> of items on the screen. Perhaps it's due to my technological >>>>> inferiority but I know that when he and I navigate a web page together >>>>> in Internet Explorer I don't have a good picture of what is where from >>>>> his perspective and he doesn't understand mine either. To say that he >>>>> was impressed with my newfound orientation to the screen is an >>>>> understatement. I bought that iPod, showed my stepson how to activate >>>>> VO and then took it over and set it up myself. >>>>> To me this is very powerful stuff. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Apple isn't perfect and I got frustrated just the other day figuring >>>>> out how to enter all of my trips into Flight Few, but we've come a >>>>> very long way from my college years with a slate and stylus, Braille >>>>> writer, four-track, reel-to-reel tape recorder and portable >>>>> typewriter. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sandy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>>> Google >>>>> Group. >>>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>> Google >>>> Group. >>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>> Google >>>> Group. >>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>> Google Group. >>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> Christopher (CJ) >> chaltain at Gmail >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> >> > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. 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