I read through the available documentation. It says nothing about on-board maps in the user guide either. Sorry Chuck but in correcting someone you should make sure that you are indeed correct yourself.
DJ -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 1:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! Hi Charles, I am not sure what part of the website you found that talks about maps being on the phone. Maybe it's in the user guide which I admit I haven't read and probably won't read until I have the app, but here is the entire blurb I found on Sendero's website about the Seeing Eye app and I don't see any reference to whether maps will be on a server or stored on the phone. Maybe for some of those who haven't bothered going to the website this will be useful and I have also included the link to the user manual below the app description for those who want to read it: Announcing Seeing Eye GPS App Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS product for the iPhone. Thank you to all of those who have volunteered to participate in the preview. We have received a more enthusiastic response than we anticipated, close to 300 people in less than 24 hours, and we are no longer able to accept any more entries and will randomly select 100 from the 300 who have already signed up. Seeing Eye GPS has maps for North America only. Once we release Seeing Eye GPS, we will be working on a version for UK and Europe customers. About Seeing Eye GPS Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation features plus features unique to blind users. . Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location. . At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are announced. . Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of the streets. . There are three choices for POI data (Navteq, Foursquare, and OSM) and two map sources (Navteq and OSM). . Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located. . When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and updated turn information is announced. . Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the LookAround Wand. . Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced. Check out the User's Guide for details on all features: http://www.senderogroup.com/support/supportseeingeye.htm Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Dean Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! I wish the people replying to these posts would read the information before they post. According to the website, Sandero is indeed going to include maps on the phone. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > Hi Bob, > > Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I doubt > they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. Keep in > mind that your GPS application accessing map data will not use up huge > amounts of > data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 Gig plan I used to > be on > a flex plan and I have a hard time using even 1 Gig of data a month, > of course I am not streaming music all day long through my phone, but > I am also > not particularly careful, I download apps via 3G, make VoIP calls via > 3G and > even download or stream the occasional podcast. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Robert Fenton > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 > Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! > > Hello. > > The reason I asked about price earlier was simply to know how much I > would be paying to obtain the product. There is little question that I > will be purchasing it. The only factors that might convince me > otherwise is if Canadian maps are not available or if maps are only > available via data plan. > The latter factor would substantially increase my bottom line cost for using > the app since at the time of purchasing my cell phone contract, no unlimited > data plans were available in the jurisdiction where I live. > > So, my initial question about price was a relatively simple one. I had > no idea the discussion would take the philosophical turns it has. > Sorry if that > has bothered anybody. J > > Bob Fenton > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-02-27, at 8:15 AM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> It's also worth bearing in mind that regardless of the price, unless >> of course it's free, there will be some people who think it's too much. >> This is understandable since the blind span the economic spectrum. >> It's also human nature and not specific to the blind. >> >> There are also those who will label it as a blind ghetto product and >> avoid it at all costs with the belief that main stream products >> should be made more accessible rather than investing in applications >> specific for the blind. I respect those who share this opinion, but >> I'm more pragmatic than religious on this point, i.e. I'll use >> whatever I need to to get the job done. I think my independence and >> ability to compete with my sighted peers does more to promote the >> independence of the blind than it does for me to avoid a product >> developed with the blind in > mind. >> Again, this is just my opinion, and I definitely respect those with a >> contrary opinion. >> >> Finally, I can only speak for myself, but I'm not really too >> interested in what others think about whether a price is fair or not. >> As Raul says, this is a decision I'm going to make myself anyway. >> >> On 27/02/13 08:11, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >>> One other nugget of thought to bear in mind, whatever is charged, >>> Apple will be nabbing 30% of that, so just bear that in mind when >>> the criticisms begin to flow. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Neil Barnfather >>> >>> Talks List Administrator >>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>> >>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an >>> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all >>> your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit >>> www.talknav.com <http://www.talknav.com> >>> >>> URL: - www.talknav.com <http://www.talknav.com> >>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com <mailto:serv...@talknav.com> >>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>> >>> On 27 Feb 2013, at 06:49, Charles Dean <chuckd...@icloud.com >>> <mailto:chuckd...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> Years ago I bought the human ware Trekker which cost over twelve >>>> hundred dollars. Considering the freedom it gave me, I still think >>>> it was worth every penny. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, so many apps are so inexpensive that when one >>>> appears with a higher prize tag, many of us get a little sticker shock. >>>> >>>> If this app proves to be as good as I hope, I will buy it no matter >>>> what the costs. >>>> >>>> Chuck (mobile) >>>> Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. >>>> >>>> On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:36 PM, "Raul A. Gallegos" >>>> <r...@raulgallegos.com <mailto:r...@raulgallegos.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how >>>>> much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific >>>>> installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more >>>>> than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the >>>>> iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what >>>>> the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that >>>>> price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely >>>>> be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this >>>>> because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price >>>>> is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. >>>>> I can look through the archives and discussions of the access >>>>> notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and >>>>> the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with criticism > over the price. >>>>> Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they >>>>> want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app >>>>> because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for >>>>> the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing >>>>> history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall >>>>> into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps >>>>> which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream >>>>> reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. >>>>> And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I >>>>> have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in >>>>> writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that >>>>> no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide >>>>> for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our >>>>> personal needs and the features contained in the app. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers! >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca >>>>> <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi List, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one >>>>>> of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM >>>>>> maps as well as POI's from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This >>>>>> should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI information. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one >>>>>> will most likely make some others redundant. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding >>>>>> the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than >>>>>> we all may think. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Sieghard >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM >>>>>> *To:* ViPone list >>>>>> *Subject:* Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, >>>>>> new >>>>>> 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:*senderogps-bou...@freelists.org >>>>>> <mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org> >>>>>> [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Kim Casey >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM >>>>>> *To:* 'Kim Casey' >>>>>> *Subject:* Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new >>>>>> 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. >>>>>> Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind >>>>>> the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features >>>>>> in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come >>>>>> as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS >>>>>> product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us >>>>>> at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a >>>>>> link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> About Seeing Eye GPS >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Getting around independently is a function of good mobility >>>>>> tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like >>>>>> accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and >>>>>> Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible >>>>>> turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation >>>>>> features plus features unique to blind users. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important >>>>>> navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, >>>>>> Route, POIs and Location. >>>>>> >>>>>> * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel >>>>>> are announced. >>>>>> >>>>>> * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face >>>>>> orientation of the streets. >>>>>> >>>>>> * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. >>>>>> >>>>>> * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and >>>>>> vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the >>>>>> turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent >>>>>> turn is located. >>>>>> >>>>>> * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically >>>>>> recalculated and updated turn information is announced. >>>>>> >>>>>> * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby >>>>>> with the LookAround Wand. >>>>>> >>>>>> * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically >>>>>> announced. >>>>>> >>>>>> For more information go to >>>>>> http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> New 2013 Sendero products >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to >>>>>> Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and >>>>>> ultrabooks. >>>>>> >>>>>> New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and >>>>>> Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Not going to CSUN - No problem! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join >>>>>> in the fun and listen into the following presentations. >>>>>> >>>>>> February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype >>>>>> iPhone People Finder App >>>>>> >>>>>> March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS >>>>>> iPhone App >>>>>> >>>>>> Just go to: >>>>>> http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 >>>>>> at the scheduled session time. 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