On 2/24/06, Jim Bohnsack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At first I was pretty much in favor of the changes Alan was suggesting, but
> Mike brought out an excellent point.  I realize, or suspect, that IBM
> Endicott and perhaps a lot of other shops may run with RSCS as the standard
> userid for the RSCS machine, but in 2 out of the 3 companies for which I
> have worked in my professional career, we didn't.  One of them was IBM and

:soapbox type=long apologies.
Yep. Back in the old days (so I am told ;-)  there were lots of
installations inside IBM with different teams running the new releases
and reveal the need for flexbility and robustness. This has been
optimized such that the remaining VM installations in IBM are enforced
to be customized by IGS in a standard way. This does not generate
sufficient requirements for the lab to deliver function that meets all
requirements. And obviously staff reductions have made it harder for
people to spend time on such things.

It was interesting to see a similar discussion in the Linux arena
recently. Novell had decided to simply build what they thought best
rather than involve the &community in the design. Their claim is that
such involvement leads to endless debates that take a lot of time and
in the end will be put aside anyway. Alan Cox pointed out in
http://lwn.net/Articles/171161/ the difference between "design by
community" and "design in the community" and stated stated that design
in the dark will lack the extra brains and eyes that are needed.

Something seems to encourage people to walk away with half an idea and
implement half of that  without soliciting enough peers to get design
review. I don't know why that is.

It's not just Alan, and not just Endicott. We've seen the same with
Linux on zSeries. I remember heavy arguments with folks in Boeblingen
when I assured them that OS labels on S/390 DASD were a must, and they
insisted Linux would write its own incompatible labels. And yes, we
now do have standard OS labels on disk (and the old incompatible
format, with at least one scenario where your data will be lost
automatically).
:esoapbox.

Rob
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Rob van der Heij

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