I really do not see the reason to decide if Rossi's Ecat is working. He is not a fraud if he does not show that it works but still claims it does. I assume that a positive outcome will be used by Rossi & IH to finance the market roll out. Therefore I think we will receive some information from the 'plant'.
Rossi &IH do not need any particular tests to be performed. Not in there interest. No, it is not science. Not even close. It is business. Be patient as there is only days until we will receive some information. I do not think that information will contain scientific evidence and third party testimony. The real thing to look for is if IH will reveal a plan to do further investments in Ecat and other felines of this type. Maybe announce a factory, maybe another investment in Xcat. I would say that is going to tell more than the data coming out. The ongoing evaluation of Rossi is not required. I read that he does not have enough scientific knowledge to handle the development. I hear he has made mistakes - live long enough and you too will. Admit them ? That is another story. I hear he has been overly optimistic. Yes, otherwise he would have given up longtime ago - like many others did. I think he is an entrepreneur with a vision and a passion to solve this LENR puzzle. Maybe he has and then I am happy for him. Maybe he is not there yet. I will applaud if he goes further and can make someone to invest so he can. If he decide it is over I know (without ever talked to him) that he will be disappointed and that would hurt more than others name calling. I do believe that the Stockholm meeting will be a good indicator of if LENR is for real. I am not saying anything about science. I am purely looking for if LENR can be commercialized within a decade or not. I do understand that several of the other players Mills for example are more qualified scientists. However, the science side is certainly interesting but not critical in the way the business side is. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros [email protected] +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM) On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: a.ashfield > > > It doesn't matter what test is performed, the pseudo skeptics will find > some reason why it might be wrong. > > > Rubbish. You demean the intellect of the Rossi faithful with such tripe. > The reverse is as likely to be true - that no matter how inadequate the > report, Rossi's flock of gullible idealists will say it is proof-positive > of his inflated claims. > > Forget those extremes. Both are tripe. > > Let's assume that we are all intelligent people who cherish the scientific > method and who can discern the truth when it is openly presented. > > All that needs to happen as the first order of proof - and it will > convince many skeptics - is to compare electrical usage day-by-day > hour-by-hour with thermal power delivered. Raw data must be available to > test any summaries which are provided by the "expert". How hard is that? > > The "customer" assuming that there was a bona fide customer, since even > that point is in doubt - supposedly received hot water as their heat > source, and there should be data of that usage hourly - over the ~8000 > hours of operation (if it was 24/7) or at least over 2000 hours. If there > is less than 2000 hours of raw data, then it will probably mean that some > data has been purged to make the results look better. > > This would be flow-rate of water and temperature. If they are an > independent customer - then of course they kept records of thermal usage. > How else would they know if they could afford to buy the thing without it? > > Ask yourself this: How hard is it to compare heat delivered against the > corresponding power bill from Florida Power and Light? Rossi should have > had his own power meter installed. That is step one. Step two is to verify > the official data has not been altered. The power bill is based on kW-hrs > of usage and the customer knows how much hot water they used, anything less > is suspicious. > > If Rossi claims not to have had a power meter from Florida Power installed > then YES the stink is starting to rise. Of course, having real raw data to > share is painfully obvious, and if Rossi should have some flimsy excuse why > this cannot be done - to justify why there is no real raw data, then Yes - > that is where the problem will center. This is what IH already knows and it > would explain why they are distancing themselves from Rossi (if they are). > > If the expert - and it does not matter who paid him - cannot provide > testable data for heat delivered, to compare against a bona-fide power bill > form the power company, knowing that that obvious and simple step presents > the prima facie case, then yes all the skeptics and even some of the flock > that drank the Kool-Aid, will be put on alert that the con game is afoot. > > Bottom line, if there is good raw data to compare, then the truth will > out. IH already knows this - so we will look to them for guidance. But > let's be clear from the start - this is science - not politics. If > believable real raw data is not available initially - then certainly > everyone including IH will know that the report is a sham. No one gives > away a trade secret by sharing that kind of raw data. > > >
