You don't seem to get it.
Rossi has been shown to be lying and fabricating results.
ROSSI.
ROSSI is not to be believed. His "experiments" are consequently
worthless, because the basic assumption of good faith, on which all
conventional analysis of experiments ultimately rests, is gone.
This has nothing to do with gas-phase LENR, which has looked promising
ever since it was first tried, in Italy, IIRC, a few decades ago.
Unfortunately Rossi has totally muddied the water with his Rube Goldberg
machine which apparently has as its single purpose to provide a (bogus)
justification for including a heater within the reactor, which makes all
of his results a little harder to believe right from the get-go. Wet
LENR requires a power source to drive the electrolysis, which hairs up
the analysis, but it's unavoidable. Gas-phase LENR, OTOH, doesn't
naturally require a power source; Rossi's claims that his machine was
"too dangerous" to operate WITHOUT a heater inside rang false to start
with and nothing's made it sound any better since.
People lie, scammers exist. Once you've figured out that's what you're
dealing with, you should understand that you have *no* good information
on anything about his "experiments" and any analysis is unlikely to get
you anything useful.
On 08/09/2016 12:43 AM, David Roberson wrote:
As I stated, I have many concerns about his system. On the other hand,
I have a much more positive belief that some form of nickel, hydrogen,
lithium gas system might generate additional heat. As long as that
possibility exists within my mind I fail to see how Rossi's experiment
would be completely invalid.
Are you convinced that LENR is not a real phenomena? If so, I will
understand why you are taking the position that Rossi absolutely can
not be believed. That is OK, everyone is entitled to their beliefs.
If it becomes clear to me that my attempts to uncover a scientific
explanation of how someone might be scamming an experiment
I don't understand what you mean by that.
He lies about meter readings, about power input, about flow rate, about
the phase (gas or liquid) of the water in his system.
What's to "learn" or "uncover" here? How to be a world-class liar?
Humans have evolved that ability over millions of years; we're mostly
pretty good at it.
The "physics" of his experiments, if any, is utterly uninteresting
because it is entirely lost in the smoke he blows in order to conceal
what he's actually doing. And it's vanishingly unlikely that the
"physics" involves anything deeper than V=IR plus a bit of misdirection
while he switches samples in order to fool the rubes.
Gas-phase LENR is worthwhile and deserves to be explore further. Rossi's
so-called ECAT, on the other hand, isn't, and *any* attempt at guiding
exploration of gas-phase LENR using Rossi's "results" is wasted effort.
is wasting time for 'everyone' on this list, I will refrain from that
effort.
You may not remember that I have contributed to the resolution of many
important issues in the past. Also, I have constructed thermal system
models that yield quite interesting results that you can find in the
list archives if interested.
YOUR VALUE is _not_ in question. The value of doing anything more with
ROSSI (and, indeed, Rossi's value) most certainly IS in question.
There is no need to "resolve" this issue. It's already resolved. The
only thing to be "resolved" is the deep denial in which a number of
members of Vortex are still residing.
