But Fred, I have the "word", direct from the Saviour... <g>
And the word is EHD ... and for mere mortals, this is probably not
gravity modification, although there could be a lesser B-B effect
out there waiting to be proved, it is probably so small that it is
almost trivial as far as usefullness (for space travel) is
concerned.
...yes, "Saviour" is his real name (but he would likely be taken
more seriusly by the mainstream if he were to change it) and there
is no one on the planet who has done more careful and thorough
R&D... into all things electrostatic.
http://www.blazelabs.com/l-intro.asp
Anyway, there has been a tremendous amount of "amateur" research
done in the past few years on the elctrostatic "thrusters" aka
"lifters." There is also similar, but more amateurish work (as to
theory) on the Naudin Site. Of course these are not capacitors,
per se. However the external effects are similar if not identical,
and the whole field of inquiry demonstrates that there is a
surprising amount of elelctrostatic thrust available from high
voltage.
In fact the hard part (and Buehler misses this point) is to get
rid of it for experimental purposes. It is very easy to fool
oneself into the belief that there is real gravity modification
going on - and there may be some small amount, but without using a
"hard" vacuum, it is impossible to know.
That is why Buehler's work seems deficient. He seems to be mildly
aware of these larger issues, but he tries to blow them off with a
few words and little direct experiment. Even a cursory look at
these older experiments should show that a hard vacuum is
absolutely required for anything meaningful - and a moderate
vacuum may even accentuate the EHD effect.
Since Saviour is accessible, answers email, and is a brilliant
experimenter - and has his own forum and Lab - and most of all -
has dealt with these issues for years, I hope you will write him
directly for an expert opinion. I am just a kibitzer of his work.
Although the Buehler-et.-al underlying theory is nice: at this
stage, there seems to be little in the Buehler stuff to alter the
bottom line opinion that as far as what is going-on in the
experiment itself, this is an EHD effect only, and he has not done
his homework.
I hope you will write to Saviour and challenge him with this
theory and will post the thread back to vortex, but no one here
(certainly not me) seems to be capable of adding anything relevant
in the detail it deserves - or near the depth of Eng. Saviour's
insight.
Jones
----- Original Message -----
The force between the capacitor plates Buehler used, equals
Energy/Spacing
= 0.4 joule/0.05 meter = 8.0 nt-meter/0.05 meter = 8.0 nt.
Therefore the force ( F ) between the charged capacitor energy and
the earth = 0.4 nt-meter/s meter so at 1.0 meter F = 0.4 nt
regardless of the sign on each of the capacitor plates:
OTOH, Buehler's single plate with a positive potential was
attracted toward
the earth as opposed to the repelling force of a negatively
charged plate
which suggests that electrons repel gravity.
If not for the ~42 orders of magnitude greater proton-electron
electrostatic force, there wouldn't be any electrons around. :-)
Fred
Jones says.
Put the thing in a vacuum and the effect goes away.
I'm not so sure about that, Jones.
It takes the combined energy of 1.223e-13 0.510 MeV (8.16e-14
joule) electrons to equal 1.0 joule,
the total charge, Q of 1.223e13 electrons is 2.0e-6 coulombs.
A 5.0e-12 farad capacitor (in air) holding 2.0 e-6 coulombs has
a voltage Q/5.0e-12 = 4.0e5 volts
on its plates, and stores as Electrical Energy, 1/2 CV^2 = 0.4
joules.
Buehler's calculation from the data shows the "normalized"
anomalous repelling force (regardless of the sign of the plates
wrt the earth) of 0.47 newtons per joule.
