Jones wrote.
>
> Fred,
>
> Given that this kind of efficient electrolysis you
> have been talking about is a surface effect - why
> would you not maximize the surface area? such as by
> switching to a stainless steel foil, instead of tubes
> or plates - you should be able to get an order of
> magnitude (or several) more surface area for the same
> weight of stainless.... perhaps by forming two layers
> of SS-foil into a double "jelly-roll" spiral?
>
Sure thing Jones.But the spacing may be a significant factor
for getting OH gas as opposed to the HO-OH liquid or
O2  or H2 instead of H formed at the anode or cathode
metal-water interface.
The Joe Cell has about 4,000 square cm of floating/"neutral" plate
area plus the 2"dia x 10 inch cathode surface and
the 6"dia x ~ 12" anode-shell.
Autoionization puts about 1.0E8 OH-/cm^2 on one side
and 1.0E8 H3O+/cm^2 on the other side of a plate or foil that can neutralize
by electron exchange through the plate or foil without showing up
in the battery circuit that is measuring the current through the
series grouping of cells.

So, in the Joe Cell at 12 volts @ 1.0 ampere electrolysis current
is augmented by Free Energy through-the-plate discharge and Metal-Water
Interface AutoDissociation Effects.

Helmholtz didn't take the biased plate backside layer or the back streaming
of O2 onto the plate surfaces to get AutoDissociation of water into
account.  :-)

Fred
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