I was asking about your _own_ experience Fred :) Michel
----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Helmholtz Layer electrode > Michel Jullian wrote: >> >> You guys are talking about Joe Cells as if they worked, do they in your > own experience? Last news we had from your experiment 1800 miles away > wasn't encouraging IIRC was it Fred? Something about energy out being only > a quarter of energy in, which I don't quite understand how it is possible > BTW. >> > Joe Cell Seminar > July 30, 2006; Salt Lake City, Utah, USA > Immediately Following the ExtraOrdinary Technology Conference > 12:30 pm - 5:30 pm > > http://www.pureenergysystems.com/academy/JoeCell2006/ > > "Peter Stevens, of NSW Australia, has been installing Joe cells on vehicles > for about 14 years. In that time, he estimates that he has installed > around 80 cells, 40-50 of which are exclusively running on a Joe cell, and > 30-40 of which were installed to assist diesel engines, giving them > improved efficiency of as much as 50%. He has kept in touch with and knows > off the top of his head of about 15 cars running with fuel line > disconnected." > > Taken with a gram of table salt, Michel. :-) > > Fred >> >> Michel >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 1:23 AM >> Subject: RE: Helmholtz Layer electrode >> >> >> > Jones Beene wrote: >> >> >> >> --- Frederick Sparber wrote: >> >> >> >> > > Given that this kind of efficient electrolysis you >> >> > > have been talking about is a surface effect - why >> >> > > would you not maximize the surface area? such as >> >> > > by switching to a stainless steel foil, instead of >> >> tubes >> >> > > or plates - >> >> >> >> > Sure thing Jones. But the spacing may be a >> >> significant factor >> >> >> >> Yes, precisely. In fact the small size (volume) of the >> >> current Joe-Cell is fairly ridiculous, given that the >> >> Helmholtz parameters can only get better by going >> >> larger. For even a small ICE, it would seem that a >> >> 10-20 gallon shallow container - minimum- with maybe >> >> 100,000 cm^2 of SS foil electrodes might show clearer >> >> results, whereas the much smaller size of Joe is only >> >> working "on occasion" which appears to be the case. >> >> >> > You're pitting your recent experience against years of experience >> > gained by trial and error and "80 cars running on the Joe Cell" >> > when less than a month ago you said it was crap? >> > >> > The shallow depth concentric cylinder Capacitance-Resisistance Divider > in >> > the Joe Cell can >> > only be duplicated by using shallow series Capacitance-Resistance > Divider >> > stacked plates >> > even if you have to roll thin concentric barrel hoops and place them in >> > circular Anode pans stacked with adequate >> > vapor space on a Cathode pole in vapor chimney. >> > >> > Fred >> > >> > Snip the Sidewalk Superintendent lecture. :-) >> > > >> >> Jones >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > > >
