You mean the polarity of the tips can be switched by adding or removing the ping pong ball? ;-)
Harry On 3/6/2007 1:17 PM, Michel Jullian wrote: > Afterthought: to make the phenomenon completely clear it might also be > interesting to take a picture of the net ion wind going the other way (from > the rotor tips to the stator tips) when the balls are removed from the locked > rotor. > > Michel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michel Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miklos Borbas Thruster?? > > > Great work again Kyle! > > I had expected things would be easier to see with the rotor locked. As a > matter of fact I believe I had suggested this test to Miklos himself ages ago, > as well as what just turned out to be the correct explanation, but he wasn't > interested. So the front of the balls is indeed the ion discharge point as we > had imagined initially, due to the ball being a lousy insulator. > > Can you post a photograph or a video of your test #2 somewhere? Ideally you > would need a smoke source under each corona emitter for results to be totally > unambiguous, but this may not be easy to arrange, not to mention the smell ;-) > > Michel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miklos Borbas Thruster?? > > >> Gentlemen, an update from the lab, >> >> Tests using smoke reveal the following: >> >> 1. With the Borbas device free to rotate, smoke is relatively unaffected >> in proximity to the device. It is hard to tell however exactly what is >> going on as the smoke is also being stirred around by the device motion. >> >> 2. With the device locked and unable to rotate, things get more >> interesting. There is a slight general movement of the smoke opposite >> the direction of which the device would want to rotate, were it free to >> do so. But the velocity of the smoke is very small; the volume of >> movement is very large however, extending several inches from the device >> in all directions, less so above and below it. Now, if the column of >> rising smoke is allowed to touch the stator corona wire, things are very >> clear to see: upon touching the corona wire, the smoke instantly makes a >> 90 degree turn and goes straight towards the balls, and at a much higher >> speed. It doesn't stop at the balls either, it goes right past them and >> then immediately behind them spreads out and joins the rest of the >> slowly moving air. >> >> 3. Outside of a thin polyethylene bag, there is still air flow. Image >> charges? It isn't high speed, but certainly is enough to contribute to >> thrusting action. >> >> 4. Removing the balls from the rotor wires and covering them with >> silicone resin reduced motion of the device (now set up free to rotate >> again) by about 1/2. Turning the corona wires in the opposite direction >> reversed the thrust. Making the corona wires point exactly radially >> outwards reduced the thrust to zero. Putting the corona wires back into >> their original (pointing towards the rotor) configuration but covered >> with silicone resin again gave zero thrust. It is my belief that given >> these results, the Borbas device is clearly conventional. >> >> 5. Per Horace's suggestion, I powered the device with AC. The results, >> were to say the least, disappointing. No thrust was observed using any >> of the configurations given above, save one. With rotor electrodes >> having a more flattened surface and corona wires very pointed, there was >> a slight motion, but I determined this to be again corona >> wind....insulating the pointed electrodes killed the effect. These >> results remained the same at 60cps, 400cps, 1500cps, 5000cps and 8000cps. >> >> Thoughts? >> --Kyle >> >
