On 11/6/2008 1:45 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: > > > Harry Veeder wrote: > >> On 11/6/2008 1:49 AM, Edmund Storms wrote: >> >> >>> >>> thomas malloy wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Edmund Storms wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> thomas malloy wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The return of the Jews, the conquest of the land, it's subsequent >>>>>> prosperity, the hatred of the Arabs, their refusal to get over the >>>>>> indignity of the loss of that part of their conquered land, the >>>>>> Liberals support of Islam. IMHO, It's all supernatural. BTW, >>>>>> comprise will get no where with the Islamists, it's counterproductive. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If this is the case Thomas, Israel better have God on its side because >>>>> otherwise the country is doomed. This conclusion is obvious to any >>>>> rational person, not just liberals. Here is a small country that is >>>>> not self sufficient without outside aid and is >>>> >>>> >>>> Your comments just tickle me Ed, this is exactly the scenario that the >>>> prophecies said would occur. >>> >>> Good, this is the spirit we need to continue a discussion. Of course, a >>> person explaining such a conflict even in the past would predict that >>> some people would try to find a reasonable solution. But, this is not >>> your point. I assume you believe this conflict was foretold in the Bible >>> and that it will end badly, after which Christ will return and set >>> things right again. Is this your belief? I believe this is a case of a >>> self fulfilling prophecy that various people worked to bring about in >>> modern times. I agree it will end badly, but I don't believe it will >>> result in any supernatural events that will reward Christians. >> >> >> >> I don't think the bible says only Christians will be rewarded. > > According to Christian interpretation, only people who are Christians or > who have converted will be "saved". Of course, good reasons can be > suggested not to know what the Bible means on many levels. As a result, > the book has been used to support the self-interest of the various > churches, which adds to the confusion. Fortunately, I believe we are not > going to be "saved" based on being Christian or having any faith-based > belief. We are "saved" by our actions and awareness. Of course, that > leaves a lot of people "unsaved", including many who believe strongly in > their faith. As a result, my view is not very popular. As you might > expect, my definition of "saved" is different from what Christians mean > by the word. But then, I can hear the chorus say, who cares? > > Ed
oh, I thought the righteous would be saved as well. Harry
