Harry Veeder wrote:
On 11/6/2008 1:49 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
thomas malloy wrote:
Edmund Storms wrote:
thomas malloy wrote:
The return of the Jews, the conquest of the land, it's subsequent
prosperity, the hatred of the Arabs, their refusal to get over the
indignity of the loss of that part of their conquered land, the
Liberals support of Islam. IMHO, It's all supernatural. BTW,
comprise will get no where with the Islamists, it's counterproductive.
If this is the case Thomas, Israel better have God on its side because
otherwise the country is doomed. This conclusion is obvious to any
rational person, not just liberals. Here is a small country that is
not self sufficient without outside aid and is
Your comments just tickle me Ed, this is exactly the scenario that the
prophecies said would occur.
Good, this is the spirit we need to continue a discussion. Of course, a
person explaining such a conflict even in the past would predict that
some people would try to find a reasonable solution. But, this is not
your point. I assume you believe this conflict was foretold in the Bible
and that it will end badly, after which Christ will return and set
things right again. Is this your belief? I believe this is a case of a
self fulfilling prophecy that various people worked to bring about in
modern times. I agree it will end badly, but I don't believe it will
result in any supernatural events that will reward Christians.
I don't think the bible says only Christians will be rewarded.
According to Christian interpretation, only people who are Christians or
who have converted will be "saved". Of course, good reasons can be
suggested not to know what the Bible means on many levels. As a result,
the book has been used to support the self-interest of the various
churches, which adds to the confusion. Fortunately, I believe we are not
going to be "saved" based on being Christian or having any faith-based
belief. We are "saved" by our actions and awareness. Of course, that
leaves a lot of people "unsaved", including many who believe strongly in
their faith. As a result, my view is not very popular. As you might
expect, my definition of "saved" is different from what Christians mean
by the word. But then, I can hear the chorus say, who cares?
Ed
Harry
