I don't see anything wrong with the way Krivit presented the data in order to make his point.
Harry > >From: Jed Rothwell <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 5:46:42 PM >Subject: [Vo]:Krivit comments on his annoying trick > >> >Steve Krivit sent me the following message. He told me he has cut me off >with the "Delete Before Read" feature, so there is no point to >responding to him. If his mysterious friend (Mitchell Swartz, I'll bet) >communicates with him again, I suggest you tell him to buy the book >"How to Lie with Statistics." > >>Whether he intended to deceive of not, he did use a stupid trick >described in the book. Anyone familiar with this book or with statistics >and mathematical presentations will get the impression that Krivit either >lied or he doesn't know the first thing about how to present data. So he >is not doing himself any favors. > >>Perhaps someone he has not Cast into Darkness should relay this message >him. > >>- Jed > >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>From: Steve Krivit <[email protected]> >>Subject: Rothwell's Character Attack on Krivit > >>Dear friend, > >>Thanks for the heads-up about Jed Rothwell's character attack on me >(copied below) on the publicly-accessible Vortex Internet list. > >>Here is what you need to know: > >>1. >>These slides are simplified so people can get the larger picture - >which is, in fact, depicted correctly in this slide; the predicted >value was shifted significantly. I simplified the slide because >otherwise people will get lost in the details and they won't get the big >picture. That's why, for precision, I started that sequence on slide 28 >with a note at the bottom that says "See New Energy Times Issue >34 for Full Investigation." > >2. In the full investigation, slide >>#3 in NET 34 has fully labeled axes, which Jed appears to be >complaining about (but he's actually confused, see #6 below.) > >>4. However, you don't put error bars on predicted values, only >experimental values. The deception by McKubre and Hagelstein has >occurred through the misrepresentation of the predicted values. It >is the alleged proximity to the predicted values that has been sold in a >misleading way, not the measured values. > >>5. If Jed looked carefully at slide #30, he would actually find a real >typographical error I made, but that error is inconsequential to the >point of the slide. Plus, Jed has not spent the time to understand the >experiment. I have. All of it. >>http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2010/34/4HeRetention-Slide8-100.shtml > >6. Lastly, it was not experiment M4 that Jed was discussing error >bars and zero lines with me, it was experiment HH. > >>Therefore, it is Jed Rothwell, not I, who has engaged in dishonest debate >and played tricks. Rothwell's association of my character to "How to >Lie With Statistics" is without basis and slanderous. > >>I am copying Rothwell on this. If he has any integrity, which I think he >does, he will post this message to the Vortex list (I'm sure with some >explanation for his misunderstandings) and apologize not only to me, but >also to other Vortex readers for misleading them. Please let me know if >he does so. > >>If Jed wishes to repair the damage he has done to our relationship, I >welcome his phone call. > >>I will not respond to Vortex comments/discussion on this matter any >further with anyone. I have real work to do. > >>Steve > > > >>At 06:09 AM 3/30/2010, you wrote: > > > > > >[Vo]:Krivit >>again uses annoying trick >> >> >> >>Jed Rothwell >>>>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:03:59 -0700 >> >> >> >> >>Here again are the slides I discussed yesterday: >> >> >> >>http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/2010/2010KrivitS-ACS.pdf >>A few weeks ago, Krivit discussed here the >>graph shown on Slide 30. I pointed out that it should show the zero line, >>and it should include error bars. In the presentation Krivit put it back >>the way it was, and for good measure he removed the Y-axis labels. >> >> >>This annoying trick is described >>on p. 62 of a marvelous little book by Darrell Huff, "How to Lie >>with Statistics" (1954, now in its 39th printing). He describes a >>graph showing a 10% increase in national income: >> __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
