You make some good points and we know that there are neat and as yet
unknown processes at play.
wrt
"*In detail, the area around and very close to the internal heater produces
hydrogen plasma."  *
Great but why doesn't the heat produced by the reaction itself form more
plasma?  You are treating one "heat" different from the other, unless there
is some geometry involved?

2011/11/9 Axil Axil <[email protected]>

> *The Rossi reactor has evolved over time and these changes inform how
> Rossi controls his reactor.*
>
> * *
>
> *Initially, Rossi had an internal heater whose function it was to produce
> exotic forms of hydrogen.*
>
> * *
>
> *It is these little known hydrogen assemblages that make the Rossi
> reactor work.*
>
> * *
>
> *In detail, the area around and very close to the internal heater
> produces hydrogen plasma.*
>
> * *
>
> *With the help of carbon doped with one of the alkaline elements (let us
> say potassium) also heated by the internal heater, a material call Rydberg
> matter is formed. This strange stuff is composed of potassium atoms (picked
> for the sake of explanation) and is formed when these excited alkaline
> atoms enter the colder regions of the hydrogen envelop just outside of the
> plasma region generated by the internal heater. This output from this
> "secret catalyst" quantum mechanically catalyzes another type of Rydberg
> matter made from hydrogen atoms through a quantum mechanical blockade
> process.*
>
> *Another type of hydrogen is also produced called a heavy Rydberg system.
> This consists of weakly bound positive and negative ions orbiting their
> common center of mass. Such systems share many properties with the
> conventional Rydberg atom and consequently are sometimes referred to as
> heavy Rydberg atoms. *
>
> * *
>
> *This stuff is what makes the Piantelli Reactor go.*
>
> * *
>
> *More specifically in the Piantelli system, a quasiparticle: a negative
> hydrogen ion acts as an electron in the nucleus of a nickel atom. *
>
> * *
>
> *In a nutshell according to the the Piantelli theory, the negative
> hydrogen ion enters the orbit of the nickel atom as an electron would and
> because it is so heavy being composed of two electrons and a proton. This
> heavy multi sub atomic particle "quasiparticle" will approach the nucleus
> of the nickel atom very closely in the same way that a negatively charged
> muon would in Muon-catalyzed fusion (ěCF). *
>
> * *
>
> *The cross section of fusion between the negative hydrogen ion and the
> nucleus of the nickel atom is large because the very heavy negative
> hydrogen ion orbits so closely to the nucleus of the nickel atom.*
>
> * *
>
> *In the Rossi system, the negative hydrogen ions do damage by producing
> heat and radiation from nuclear reactions with nickel just as they do in
> the Piantelli system.*
>
> * *
>
> *In the Rossi reactor, when the temperature of the nickel powder is below
> the Curie point, these negative ions damage the coating of the micro powder
> and produce intense gamma radiation. *
>
> * *
>
> *When the temperature of the nickel powder is above the Curie point, the
> Rydberg matter mechanism takes over and dominates the negative ion
> mechanism which is essentially depressed.*
>
> * *
>
> *Later, Rossi added an external heater into his reactor design to get the
> nickel powder above the Curie point of nickel before the negative ion
> reaction takes place to any substantial intensity.  *
>
> * *
>
> *This improvement has eliminated gamma bursts and powder damage during
> startup.*
>
> * *
>
> *To sum up, there are many different reactions involved in the class of
> phenomena commonly called "cold fusion" and some of them do not involve
> fusion at all.*
>
> * *
>
> *Next in the Rossi reaction, there is a very good chance that both the
> non-inverted Rydberg matter abbreviated as H(1) and the inverted Rydberg
> matter abbreviated as H(-1) are both coherent assemblages of around 100
> atoms more or less and that the entanglement an coherence of these
> assemblages are determinative in the way both the H(1) and the H(-1)
> species behaves in the Rossi process.*
>
> * *
>
> *H(-1) is the excited state of H(1) where protons and electrons change
> places when sufficient kinetic energy is added to the H(1) species to form
> H(-1).*
>
> * *
>
> *The structure of these assemblages is like a stack of pancakes of 20 or
> so of hexagonal flattened atomic structures where the quantum mechanical
> states of all electrons in H(1) and protons in H(-1) are identical,
> synchronized  and entangled.*
>
> * *
>
> *In effect, the Rydberg matter of all 100 or so atoms behave as if the
> entire assemblage was a single large atom defined by a single QM wave form.
> *
>
> * *
>
> *In a separate class of reactions studied by Miley and Arata where a
> deuterium isotope of hydrogen is used, it  may be that IRM designated as  
> D(-1)
>  will produce nuclear fusion reactions as seen in the experiments with
> "pynco" deuterium by Yoshiaki ARATA & Yue C. ZHANG. *
>
> * *
>
> *In these experiments, the grains of pynco-deuterium powder show complete
> melting in micrographs by the extreme heat of a nuclear reaction even
> though the powder is made of a mixture of palladium and zirconium oxide
> each with a very high melting point.*
>
> * *
>
> *Neutrons in the nucleus of the deuterium change the quantum mechanical
> nature of the IHR reaction. Fusion results and lends itself to a QM
> incompatibility between H and D reactions. *
>
> * *
>
> *Furthermore, this reaction uses palladium as a spill over catalyst to
> get deuterium into the lattice defects of the zirconium oxide powder or
> foil.*
>
> * *
>
> *On the other hand, the nickel powder that supports Rossi's reaction has
> a very low melting point which is lowered further by a covering on each
> grain of nano-dimensional fibers of polycrystalline nickel.*
>
> * *
>
> *On the Rossi micro powder, the rough coating of polycrystalline nickel
> is used as a catalyst to get atomic hydrogen into the lattice defects in
> and around the tubular fibers of the nano-coating.*
>
> * *
>
> *Such a coating of polycrystalline nickel increases hydrogen species
> abortion by at least 10 times.*
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *This covering is very fragile and highly prone to damage from nuclear
> reactions or ionizing radiation.*
>
> * *
>
> *This powder is purported to survive for months of continual use even
> though the nickel undergoes transmutation to copper in high percentages.
> This speaks against the source of heat being nuclear fission or fusion as
> we commonly understand these processes.*
>
> * *
>
> *I find this very hard to believe but if the Rossi reaction works then
> these coverings must remain undamaged.*
>
> * *
>
> *The  fermionic condensate formed by fermionic particles: namely protons
> in the Rossi H(-1) must transfer heat from a quantum mechanical mechanism
> other than fission or fusion because of the low temperature and gentle
> nature of that powder source.*
>
> * *
>
> *The heat of the Rossi reaction must be from an as yet unknown quantum
> process(es) in the lattice defects where the H(-1) picks up energy and
> continually transfers it to the surrounding lattice when the proper lattice
> excitation temperature is reached.*
>
> * *
>
> *Some have speculated that it is Casmir forced based energy or zero point
> energy or in general Rossi may be tapping into the inherent quantum energy
> that permeates the vacuum of space.*
>
> * *
>
> *Copper transmutation in the micro-powder may be caused by proton
> tunneling expelled from the H(-1) as hydrogen is continually recycled and
> replenished into the defect structures in and around the nano-fibers.*
>
> * *
>
> *The quantum blockade of the fermionic condensate H(-1) in the defects
> has both a very long lifetime and a range that covers the entire micro
> particle. This process must reduce the gamma emissions of the copper
> formation process into the x-ray radiation range. It must also speed up or
> eliminate nuclear product decay processes form by proton absorption in a
> Relativistic Time Dilation process in the quantum blockade phenomena that
> speeds the stabilization of excited nuclear products.*
>
> * *
>
> *This effect has been seen in cavitation based nuclear waste treatments.*
>
> * *
>
> *As far as reactor controls concerned, when the internal heater is shut
> down, a fixed amount of H(-1) or H(1) is produced. In self-sustain mode,
> this material is consumed for up to 5 hours before the Rossi reaction
> starts to decline.*
>
> * *
>
> *I doubt that the Rossi reactor can be fired up again in a short
> timeframe without the production of gamma radiation and micro partial
> damage on the polycrystalline nickel coating that would result when the
> hydrogen reaction switches over from H(-1) to the negative ion mechanism.*
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *On another note, since the Rossi reaction happens only in the surface
> tubular coating of the micro particles, the special effects of Ni62 and
> Ni64 could be localized there,*
>
> * *
>
> *In a closing conjecture, the enrichment of Ni62 and Ni64 could be done
> only in this tubular coating of the nickel micro particles. The particle
> coating material may involve only about 2000 times less material than the
> total mass of the nickel micro particles. *
>
> * *
>
> *The inner bulk of these particles may be composed of base nickel where
> Ni58 is found at normal levels. When a magnetic field is used during nickel
> vapor disposition, not much energy is needed to enrich Ni62 and Ni64 during
> the tubule coating formation process.*
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Jeff Sutton <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Hello.  I have been following Rossi and the posts since the beginning and
>> am very fascinated.
>> Rather than a fraud, I believe Rossi is on to something incrementally
>> better than those that came before.  He has more success starting the
>> reaction, however I think he has little control over it once started
>> To that supposition, can others comment on how they believe control
>> exists?  (For discussion purpose, please suspend any thoughts that it is a
>> scam.)
>>
>>
>>    1. Rossi, with all his comments, seems to suggest that it takes time
>>    to heat up the ecat to get things started, however from the 
>> demonstrations,
>>    they do not seem to have started in any scheduled way.  He does, however,
>>    seem to get the ecat started within a few hours give or take so that is
>>    fantastic.
>>    2. He has shown it in "self-sustaining" mode but always shuts it down
>>    after a few hours with some excuse.  Why does he do that when the
>>    blockbuster note would be "the ecat just keeps on going."  I suggest this
>>    must mean that the ecat cannot just keep on running for 6 months has he
>>    notes; at least in self-sustaining mode.  and if not in self-sustain mode,
>>    then what does he do to "reset" the reactor?  Use his heating element?
>>     that makes no sense.  Add Hydrogen?  Again that makes no sense as he 
>> could
>>    put a regulator on this and do such automatically.  What resets the
>>    operation?
>>    3. He noted in the 2nd to last demo that he had a frequency generator
>>    and it had been hidden all along, but in the last demo he notes there 
>> isn't
>>    one.  Does this suggest that he was trying something new to help in start
>>    up or make it run longer?  Or was this mis-direction?  Where was this
>>    device or wires for it in previous tests?
>>    4. How does he control the reaction?  His only control seems to be
>>    the heating element and the flow of water over the reactor.  But in all
>>    experiments, until quenching, the water flow seemed to be constant.  And
>>    one generating "substantial" heat, clearly controlling the reaction with a
>>    heating element very unlikely.   Is contol simply due to the pre-start
>>    conditions (the amount of hydrogen, nickel, geometry) and it runs "out of
>>    control" for a few hours?
>>
>> Any advice on how the control works would be most interesting.
>>
>> In any event, forget all the nonsense with his lousy engineering design
>> and terrible business skills; few are good at all things.   If Rossi has
>> found a way to get the reaction going and produce significant excess
>> energy, he has changed the world and should be recognized for this.
>>
>>
>

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