and money. ;-)
harry
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Alain Sepeda <alain.sep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> why not a vote
>
> 2012/8/8 Harry Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com>
>>
>> When is US soil US soil?
>>
>> Would a person be ineligible if the soil he was born on only became US
>> soil after the person's birth?
>> And what if the soil ceased being US soil after he was born?
>>
>> Instead of a simplistic rule, there should be some meaningful criteria
>> for deciding eligibility.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Michele Comitini
>> <michele.comit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Jojo,
>> >
>> > I know US president must be born on US soil.
>> > I do not know enough about Citizenship law to know if the mother was
>> > eligible to confer Citizenship to her son, she was 18 at the time.
>> > Reading wikipedia seems to say she was eligible in 1961, but as we
>> > know wikipedia is far from complete.
>> >
>> > mic
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2012/8/8 Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com>:
>> >> Michele, two things:
>> >>
>> >> First, the Immigration laws were a bit different in 1963. Stanley Ann
>> >> Dunham was too young to have conferred to Bambi U.S. Citizenship at
>> >> that
>> >> time.
>> >>
>> >> Second, Mere U.S. Citizenship does not qualify one to be President.
>> >> The
>> >> founding fathers specifically included "Natural Born" U.S. citizenship
>> >> as a
>> >> qualification for being POTUS. I trust you know the difference between
>> >> a
>> >> U.S. Citizen and a Natural Born U.S. Citizen. Even if bambi was a U.S.
>> >> citizen (that fact alone is in doubt); he would still not be qualified
>> >> unless he was Natural Born U.S. Citizen.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jojo
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michele Comitini"
>> >> <michele.comit...@gmail.com>
>> >> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 4:14 PM
>> >>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we
>> >> are
>> >> crazy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#Birth_abroad_to_one_United_States_citizen
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2012/8/8 MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net>:
>> >>>
>> >>> Good debate! This is what freedom of speech is all about…
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> “His grandparents were not dumb and knew the benefits of US
>> >>> citizenship.
>> >>> No
>> >>> conspiracy to be POTUS has to be invoked, only that they want their
>> >>> grandchild to be a US citizen is good enough a reason.”
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Agreed. His mother was Caucasian and from the US (she was born
>> >>> here), so
>> >>> it certainly is likely that *if* she was returning to the USA
>> >>> *permanently*, and with baby Barack, she would have wanted for him to
>> >>> be a
>> >>> U.S. Citizen. If I was a parent in that situation, I sure as heck
>> >>> would…
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I’m sure his parents were NOT thinking anything about their son being
>> >>> POTUS
>> >>> someday, obviously, but as explained, there is NO need to bring up the
>> >>> “in
>> >>> case he wanted to become President someday” argument… there is reason
>> >>> enough
>> >>> by just coming here.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> If that was you bringing in your newborn, would you not want your
>> >>> child to
>> >>> be a US citizen?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I must confess, I have only looked at a limited amount of the
>> >>> arguments
>> >>> and
>> >>> evidence about the whole issue, so am on the fence so far… perhaps
>> >>> after
>> >>> the
>> >>> next election we’ll find out? Or not…
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -Mark
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> From: Jojo Jaro [mailto:jth...@hotmail.com]
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 11:02 PM
>> >>> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we
>> >>> are
>> >>> crazy
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Straw Man argument.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> First, the Hawaii authorities are the ones which automatically post
>> >>> all
>> >>> births in the newspaper. During that time, anyone can report a birth
>> >>> to
>> >>> Hawaii authorities even if the birth did not physically occur in
>> >>> Hawaii.
>> >>> Hawaii authorities did not have to verify the reported birth. Funny
>> >>> though
>> >>> cause that address belongs to the grandparents, not bambi's parents.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Second, there is no need to argue that his grandparents secretly
>> >>> conspired
>> >>> to make him a citizen because they knew he was going to be president.
>> >>> That's a straw man. His grandparents were not dumb and knew the
>> >>> benefits
>> >>> of US citizenship. No conspiracy to be POTUS has to be invoked, only
>> >>> that
>> >>> they want their grandchild to be a US citizen is good enough a reason.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> But just give me a simple explanation why his Hawaii Vault BC is still
>> >>> secret. He can end this Birther conspiracy movement with a single
>> >>> phone
>> >>> call to release his vault BC. Why hasn't he done it? All your
>> >>> eloquent
>> >>> reasons will not overcome this simple fact.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Jojo
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
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