I can not imagine how LeClair and his friends escaped injury from these crystals if they were dense enough in numbers to damage trees outside the lab. You have to wonder how the damage was discovered since each of the paths appears to be microscopic.
Dave -----Original Message----- From: Axil Axil <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:59 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes “Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is important for this second effect to be self sustaining. It appears that there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into the metal or leaving the metal surface. I feel there is a clue here somewhere” Standard scientific doctrinaire says that the positive highly charged ionic crystal will immediately gain electrons and become neutral in charge when the crystal hits the substrate. If this charge neutralization process does not happen, the positive ionic charge is maintained almost indefinitely. More interesting, LeClair says he has seen damage from these crystals in his walls and in trees outside his windows. Something is keeping these crystals charged. If these crystals can be produced on demand and in mass in a handy handheld system they would make for a formidable weapon; a disruptor beam. We have until the 24th century to figure this thing out so that we can keep to the “STAR TRAC” technology development timeline. Cheers: Axil On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Nigel Dyer <[email protected]> wrote: Having discussed what he appears to have seen with Mark L, I ended up coming to the conclusion that there are possibly two separate effects that we may need to consider. First there is whatever it is that happens within the cavitation bubble that starts the process off. In situations where cavitation causes damage to nearby surfaces this is probably the only effect in town. In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining effect, possibly involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was not left totally convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation. Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is important for this second effect to be self sustaining. It appears that there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into the metal or leaving the metal surface. I feel there is a clue here somewhere Nigel On 11/11/2012 03:39, Axil Axil wrote: I am interested in the possible association of zero-point-energy/electrostatic based supersonic shockwave acceleration processes that occur as a consequence of ionic crystal formation during cavatation bubble collapse and the closely related plasma reaction in the Papp engine which might occur in the plasmoid formation process in heavy noble gases. The Plasmoid that is formed by the spark discharge in a noble gas mix might be analogous to what happens in the collapse of a single large cavatation bubble. The Plasmoid both acts like and might be thought of as a manifestation of a single large collapsing cavitation bubble. In more detail, what Mark LeClair has observed as positive ionic crystallization formation in water that is catalyzed in the high pressure plasma generation during cavatation in water may also be happening in ionic positively charge krypton and xenon crystal formation in the Papp reaction. I believe that this idea is justifiable since cavatation damage also occurs in liquid sodium and molten salt pumps at levels of up to ten times more intense as is happening in water. Positive ionic crystallization formation can happen in many types of ionic elements and chemical compounds in both liquids and gases. Here is a recent YouTube based interview covering cavitation with Mark LeClair. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Gqd34R5OQ In this interview, Mark LeClair believes that LENR happens in cavatation. But a deeper level of abstraction is needed in his thinking. LENR actually is based on the action of positively charged ionic super-atomic crystals.
