“In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining effect, possibly involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was not left totally convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation.
Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is important for this second effect to be self sustaining. It appears that there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into the metal or leaving the metal surface. I feel there is a clue here somewhere” The self-sustaining structure that preserves the positive water ionic crystal is a plasmoid. A plasmoid is a coil of negative and positive electric currents that form a ball with the positive ions on the inside and the negative electrons on the outside. The plasmoid is self-sustaining as it converts LENR reaction energy into electromagnetic current flow. The tendency of electrons to flow along the surface of a metal would keep the plasmoid from penetrating the surface of the metal substrate. Cheers: Axil On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Nigel Dyer <[email protected]> wrote: > Having discussed what he appears to have seen with Mark L, I ended up > coming to the conclusion that there are possibly two separate effects that > we may need to consider. > > First there is whatever it is that happens within the cavitation bubble > that starts the process off. In situations where cavitation causes damage > to nearby surfaces this is probably the only effect in town. > > In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the > surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining effect, > possibly involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was not left > totally convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation. > > Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is > important for this second effect to be self sustaining. It appears that > there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into > the metal or leaving the metal surface. I feel there is a clue here > somewhere > > Nigel > > > On 11/11/2012 03:39, Axil Axil wrote: > >> I am interested in the possible association of >> zero-point-energy/**electrostatic based supersonic shockwave acceleration >> processes that occur as a consequence of ionic crystal formation during >> cavatation bubble collapse and the closely related plasma reaction in the >> Papp engine which might occur in the plasmoid formation process in heavy >> noble gases. >> >> >> The Plasmoid that is formed by the spark discharge in a noble gas mix >> might >> be analogous to what happens in the collapse of a single large cavatation >> bubble. >> >> >> The Plasmoid both acts like and might be thought of as a manifestation of >> a >> single large collapsing cavitation bubble. >> >> >> In more detail, what Mark LeClair has observed as positive ionic >> crystallization formation in water that is catalyzed in the high pressure >> plasma generation during cavatation in water may also be happening in >> ionic >> positively charge krypton and xenon crystal formation in the Papp >> reaction. >> >> >> I believe that this idea is justifiable since cavatation damage also >> occurs >> in liquid sodium and molten salt pumps at levels of up to ten times more >> intense as is happening in water. >> >> >> Positive ionic crystallization formation can happen in many types of ionic >> elements and chemical compounds in both liquids and gases. >> >> Here is a recent YouTube based interview covering cavitation with Mark >> LeClair. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=a7Gqd34R5OQ<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Gqd34R5OQ> >> >> >> In this interview, Mark LeClair believes that LENR happens in cavatation. >> But a deeper level of abstraction is needed in his thinking. LENR >> actually is based on the action of positively charged ionic super-atomic >> crystals. >> >> >
