Ed, What is important to recognize about this economic invention - is that it is not related to jobs or savings.
This is a revolutionary idea - with potential impact at least as great as LENR. If opens a path to the most genuinely free society in human history. And can be adapted in most industrial nations. Mark Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax ________________________________________ From: Edmund Storms [[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:35 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment I agree Mark, a second income is important. Cold fusion had provided that for me until recently. Nevertheless, I find that a second income is not easy to achieve while still having time for anything else. Of course, giving a course on second income can be a second income.;-) A friend makes soup and sells it to her neighbors, who fortunately have enough money to buy soup. Another friend cleans houses, so jobs are available that can supplement a less than adequate income from a regular job - so I see your point. Ed On Jan 29, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Mark Goldes wrote: > Ed, > > This is another reason why Second Incomes not dependent upon jobs or > savings are becoming so important. > > When a substantial portion of income,the goal is half by about age > 50, is derived from diversified investments - individuals have the > time and money to pursue more of what they want to do, rather then > what they are forced to do by circumstance. > > Aesop Institute intends to offer an on-line course about this plan, > and the binary economics invented by Louis Kelso that led him to > develop the Second Income idea. Gary Reber, who will develop the > course, has a website foreconomicjustice.org devoted to the subject. > > Second Incomes on the www.aesopinstitute.org website provides > additional information for anyone who might be interested. > > Mark > > Mark Goldes > Co-Founder, Chava Energy > CEO, Aesop Institute > > www.chavaenergy.com > www.aesopinstitute.org > > 707 861-9070 > 707 497-3551 fax > ________________________________________ > From: Edmund Storms [[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:07 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Edmund Storms > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on > employment > > On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:57 AM, James Bowery wrote: > > The "low wage" argument doesn't wash. The H-1b workers are not > being paid below minimum wage and that's what the un/deremployed > older engineers are getting. What is going on is an individualist > culture is being taken over by, not one, but multiple nepotistic > cultures. > > This might be true on a few occasions, but it is not true throughout > the economy based on my experience. I would like to hear from some > people who actually decide whom to hire. Is this conclusion by David > valid? > > Ed > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Edmund Storms > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Thanks Jim for making my comment more vivid. The situation is > growing worse and your personal experience is one of many tragic > consequences. The driving force behind hiring is the cost of labor. > People from other countries are cheaper, the young are cheaper, and > the robots are cheaper. This cost is not just salary. The cost of > healthcare, pension, and general overhead is high. As you made > clear, the quality of the person is not what matters in many > industries, only the cost. The standard of living in the US is > adjusting downward and everybody is suffering. When the inflation > being created by the Federal Reserve increases in ernest, our pain > will increase again. > > > On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:09 AM, James Bowery wrote: > > Garbage. > > I know lots of US engineers who have been out of work for years and > are not being hired even though they are doing occasional contract > work at what amounts to below minimum wage. > > These aren't just any old engineers. They include guys who built > the Internet and have current skills. > > Clue: HP spent a half billion dollars on "Internet Chapter 2". Due > to my long history with the Internet (chief architect of AT&T's > foray into electronic newspapers with Knight-Rider 1982 as well as > previously being on the PLATO system programming staff for CDC), > they tried to get me in and I repeatedly declined because what they > said they were doing made no sense and I knew exactly what was > needed for "Internet Chapter 2" having, in my capacity with AT&T, > worked directly with David P. Reed during the time he was authoring > the "End to End Arguments" paper. > > I finally agreed to come on board if they would let me have a little > corner of the project -- remember we're talking $500M of risk > capital here -- the largest single lump-sum invested during the > dotcom bubble and it was being invested by Silicon Valley's founding > company. > > All I wanted was one guy:. A PhD with a specialty in a branch of > relational mathematics who happened to have the unfortunate > characteristic of being a US citizen. > > My request for this consultant was declined but I was offered all > the H-1b visas from India I wanted. > > Literally. > > Guess what ethnicity was of the guy in charge of that project? > > The Fortune 500 is now taken over by India. > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Edmund Storms > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Not just sad but scary because such an apparent lack of education is > revealed in the comments. We all agree that standards have been > lowered for both high-school and college degrees. As a result, many > graduates are qualified only for low skilled jobs. Consequently, a > big push is now underway by companies that have high skilled jobs to > open more visa opportunities for skilled people from other countries > to work here. Naturally, these skilled people are cheaper to hire > than the older skilled people who are already here, which provides > the basic incentive. I fear how the growing number of uneducated > people will vote in the future. The population is almost equally > divided now between people who do not have a clue and people who > still can understand what is happening. The future does not look good. > > > On Jan 29, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > > It's funny and sad to see people in denial in the comments section. > > > 2013/1/29 <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Unemployment dropping? > > http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2013/01/28/college-educated-over-qualified-study/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl3%7Csec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D262707 > > > > > > -- > Daniel Rocha - RJ > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > > > >
